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Vienna ME: Turn spot Vienna ME: Turn spot

10-29-2010 , 07:14 AM
I have about 64k. Competent player opens UTG. He has been in line and solid. Hands I've seen:

He opens and gets flatted 4 ways. He checks a J 6 2 hh board. Turn K he checks and check-raises to 18k on double flush turn then leads river for like 24k on a blank. Live players love to slow play I guess? I guess he had a set.

He flats my UTG+1 open with AJo. Checks a J high board in position. Calls turn lead from a competent blind and value raises river to 30k (over a 12k river lead). They chop with AJ.

So on to the hand. I have 6h6d on the button and flat his open to 2700 at 600/1200/100.

Flop Jd 8d 2d. He checks to me and I start to think about what he is pot controlling. I think a bit and check.

Turn 5h. He leads 6k into 8100. I think his range is mainly high diamonds that are now stabbing. Also perhaps strong overpairs with diamonds that missed a check raise (I think he views me as competent and aggressive from the post-hand chat we had).

My first instinct is to fold. I don't think I'm very good against his range. Any thoughts about a weird merge that involves raising the turn? I would shove a few rivers (6's, 9's, maybe 7's and T's depending on his river action). Also I think a turn raise looks ridic strong in a live setting but he might be strong enough to realize it reps almost nothing.

Raising would also get value from Ad offsuit type hands that have nothing yet. More I think about it though, I like folding.
10-29-2010 , 10:00 AM
i would bet the flop the first time because why the **** is he checking if he connected
11-02-2010 , 11:09 AM
what size of raise do u think he coldcalls turn with AdXx type hands oop?
11-02-2010 , 11:26 AM
bet fold flop. its ideal to cbet it imo.
11-05-2010 , 01:52 AM
I'm betting flop. As played, I don't mind a raise but I prefer a call. Fold isn't terrible. Think all options are fairly close in EV.
11-05-2010 , 01:33 PM
A flop bet will fold out all non D overs and at least you can range him better. Pretty much agree w/ canoodles line on turn.
11-05-2010 , 01:40 PM
Really don't like a turn raise vs an opponent we've seen that's prone to strange slowplays, particularly since we'd have to raise/fold when we both have SD value and the potential to suck out against some % of his range.

If you soul read him for FOS on the turn just call.
11-05-2010 , 11:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bond18
Really don't like a turn raise vs an opponent we've seen that's prone to strange slowplays
Or a flop bet. Checking flop and calling blank turns is probably a little better than bet/folding flop, but given his tendency to check flop with strong hands I'd probably just fold turn. His range is much stronger than an average player's taking this line because of all the strong hands he'll check flop with.
11-06-2010 , 01:08 AM
flop check seems fine to me, on the turn you're just gonna have to work out what level he's on, if you can't figure it out, fold is the standard, though it's close.
11-06-2010 , 01:39 AM
u could bet flop, but checking seems fine/good
turn seems like an easy call, especially with u being in position
u should be able to play this hand fairly well on the river too here..
11-06-2010 , 03:16 AM
close fold

      
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