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01-08-2016 , 02:48 AM

TourneyDonk

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blinds 1K/2K/400, I've been at the table for one orbit, have a 51.4K stack and raise to 5K UTG+2 9-handed with KJcc. 68 yr old on my immediate left (75K) flats as does BTN (70K). I have no real reads on either player. Flop AdQc3c. How should we proceed?

01-08-2016 , 03:01 AM

WorstEver

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TourneyDonk

I'm checking the flop, with plan being I'm jamming over the top of any bet on the flop. I think some Ace weak kickers might fold to check-raise on flop, if not, I figure I have 12 outs, 9 clubs and 3 tens.

If it checks through on flop, I'm jamming almost any turn card that is not a club. Club or ten I'm making a 1/3 to 1/2 size pot bet. Hoping at least one of them has an Ace or Queen and will call me light. If either has A-Q, I'm still OK, essentially flipping for stacks at that point in tournament with objective of getting a 50+BB stack.

But hey, my name is Worst Ever.

01-08-2016 , 04:15 AM

TourneyDonk

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WorstEver

If it checks through on flop, I'm jamming almost any turn card that is not a club.

Don't do this. We have 46.4K behind and the pot is 21.6K.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WorstEver

I figure I have 12 outs, 9 clubs and 3 tens.

01-08-2016 , 03:31 PM

Beachman42

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Any more info on button or you? i.e. are you *ALL* 68 yrs old?

I def. check this flop with no additional info and see if anyone else is interested in the flop . . .

01-08-2016 , 05:14 PM

DPH

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I would cbet this flop 100%

01-08-2016 , 09:58 PM

jimbobwe00

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2/3rds pot and dont fold

01-09-2016 , 03:35 AM

TourneyDonk

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beachman42

Any more info on button or you? i.e. are you *ALL* 68 yrs old?

I def. check this flop with no additional info and see if anyone else is interested in the flop . . .

BTN is 42 yr old Asian. I am a 37 yr old random white dude....no hoodie, hat, facial hair or sunglasses. I had not played a hand yet at this table. Both villains seem tight with the old guy probably playing exactly like you'd expect a 68 yr old to play, nit-tastic.

01-09-2016 , 06:23 PM

PhatPots

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This is not a tough spot. Bet a little more than 1/3 of pot. on the turn I would probably jam it.

01-14-2016 , 05:33 AM

TourneyDonk

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbobwe00

2/3rds pot and dont fold

I led for 15K into the 21.6K pot and snapped the old guy's shove. He had AQ. Turn 2c River Qd.

It's interesting that of the few responses this thread got someone said we should check, another said bet 1/3 pot and another said 2/3 pot. I don't like a check because given our stack size I think we have to see this hand through to the river, and we're going to have to put our tournament on the line anyway if we check/call 2 streets, and a check raise shove won't get many folds, so we might as well play it fast to maximize fold equity.

Does anyone like a fold pre?

Last edited by TourneyDonk; 01-14-2016 at 05:38 AM.

01-14-2016 , 06:07 AM

#10

AALegend

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TourneyDonk

I think you do have fold equity with a check/shove. You can make the button fold hands like AT (or lower Aces) and KQ. If you choose to c-bet, I like the sizing to be a bit lower (maybe 10,800?). That way you have an almost pot sized bet left on the turn and have some fold equity against weaker aces and queens that did not want to fold to one bet on the flop.

Preflop, if the table is playing loose with a lot of 3-betting, I like a fold. If the table is playing fairly tight, it is alright to open KJs some of the time.

01-14-2016 , 02:00 PM

#11

Beachman42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AALegend

I think you do have fold equity with a check/shove. You can make the button fold hands like AT (or lower Aces) and KQ. If you choose to c-bet, I like the sizing to be a bit lower (maybe 10,800?). That way you have an almost pot sized bet left on the turn and have some fold equity against weaker aces and queens that did not want to fold to one bet on the flop.

Preflop, if the table is playing loose with a lot of 3-betting, I like a fold. If the table is playing fairly tight, it is alright to open KJs some of the time.

This. If it actually checks through you have small ball options OTT but checking flop to get it on over a flop bet from one V.

If one bets & the other raises, then I might consider folding since we are not drawing to the nut flush.

01-14-2016 , 03:46 PM

#12

TourneyDonk

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AALegend

My thinking is that a check/shove looks transparently like a flush draw and will get called almost always. Also, if you're either villain, BTN being more likely to have AT than old guy whose range is stronger than AT, are you going to bet 12-14K then fold an Ace to a x/r to 46.4K on this flop? I'm not. If I bet AT the plan would be to call a check/shove because it's probably a flush draw, or check back. I pretty much never bet/fold off large percentages of my stack. Of course I'm willing to entertain the idea my thinking could be flawed.

01-16-2016 , 05:34 PM

#13

gizzleduur

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i don't think a check shove is that transparent. especially to the players you describe in this pot (they might take it for a set if you're lucky). i think check-raise 75% of stack looks stronger and might level live eggs into folding Ax more often than check jam.

01-16-2016 , 10:12 PM

#14

ur2barredout

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cbet or cshove, not really a hand that needs much discussion.

01-16-2016 , 10:16 PM

#15

Yenomez

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PhatPots

This is not a tough spot. Bet a little more than 1/3 of pot. on the turn I would probably jam it.

Is only good answer.

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