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an underboat in the huge stars tourney an underboat in the huge stars tourney

03-07-2011 , 11:36 AM
BB is 300. I have 55 and 17,960 in the small blind. Big blind has 22,070.

Folds to me and I complete. We can debate this if need be but I think it doesn't matter much either way. He checks.

AA9r. I bet 370 and he calls.

Turn is a 5, bingo! Puts up a flush draw. He checks behind.

River is an offsuit 4. I bet 990, he quickly raises to 2700.

What do you do? And is this a stupid question?

Thanks in advance.
03-07-2011 , 12:35 PM
6285
03-07-2011 , 12:46 PM
And muck to an all-in?
03-07-2011 , 12:58 PM
lol wtf is going on itt?
03-07-2011 , 01:17 PM
And why on earth did you check the turn and limp in pre?

Oh well depending on read of player I either flat or 3bet river, probably flat though, looks like A4 a lot.
03-07-2011 , 01:33 PM
BvsB I think reraising river to like 6K is better since ur line isnt that strong and only hands hecould have that beat u are A4 and maaybe sometimes A9 or A5 and think ppl in this donkament def r/c trip aces here so there is still potential value left

dont think he will ever jam over that with worse so then fold.....

U could also just call the river raise but I like to go for thin value in a field of donks and a quick structure.....

Also....dont like limping pre....and I would def bet big on turn and if called bet huge on river
03-07-2011 , 07:17 PM
According to my windows calculator, you have 16.3 left before he raises you to 2700. I would raise to 6.3k for value. An overshove would not get called by anything except for a higher boat (unless you think he is capable of calling with Ax, i.e. is a donk). It's just sick if you raise and he shoves. I would raise to 6.3k and if he shoves over I would try to pay attention to timing tells but really no one shoves over your raise unless you are beat so I would fold to a shove, as sick as that seems. If you have not seen this guy play a hand in forever, then just a call of his 2700 raise would be ok here, but generally I would raise for value (but not a shove).
03-07-2011 , 09:40 PM
I just called the raise on the end and beat his AK. So of course I regret not jamming. I think he would have paid off.

I guess I screwed up by not betting the turn. If he called the flop with just a 9, I am probably not going to win much. But if he has trip aces, I stand to win a huge pot so I should have tried to build the pot at every opportunity.

Thanks for the replies.
03-07-2011 , 09:46 PM
if it's any consolation, he was worse than you
03-07-2011 , 10:20 PM
Wow its like two butchers playing poker against eachother
03-08-2011 , 01:16 AM
Yeah that never happens
03-08-2011 , 01:25 AM
Yeah I mean I think that building the pot once you hit huge with well calculated value bets is the best option for the reasons you already stated (if he has 9, then wont win much anyway, if has an A, will win decent/big pot). No one is folding an Ace on the flop and turn, especially bvb, and you'll get a river call at the very least. Even a 9 will come along versus a turn bet some of the time. Also, how about some constructive criticism guys? This isn't the dickhead mtt forums, just give your detailed analysis so that we can return the favor to you when you post hands.
03-08-2011 , 09:28 AM
WTF IS GOING ON IN HSMTT NOWADAYS????????? 8/10 THREADS ARE ************************

BTW raise pre then bet bet bet
03-08-2011 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by birs320
WTF IS GOING ON IN HSMTT MONDAYS????????? 8/10 THREADS ARE ************************
FYP

donk with a dream wakes up monday morning determined to at least make their sunday millions bust out a learning experience
03-08-2011 , 11:00 AM
You should open fold turn so you don't get into sticky spots OTR
03-09-2011 , 09:22 AM
The different decisions I think should be made, as played to that point, in order of preference are:

Bet/3bet turn ... Raise pre ... 3 bet/fold river (non-all in)

When I read underboat, i thought the board would be QQTTX or something. Take solace in the fact that if you raised pre and villain was normal you probably wouldn't have gotten to the turn.
03-09-2011 , 09:38 AM
Im not playing Highstakes MTT so maybe im not to listen to but why cant he also hold a overpair like 1010 and feel like he doesnt got the ace? or he as well A10 AJ and wanted to play the hand tricky and look weak i could never make a fold on river even if its all in but maybe thats why i dont play highstakes yet
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03-09-2011 , 10:06 AM
Please don't check the turn and not a huge amount of value 3betting the river just call if your going to do anything
03-09-2011 , 08:42 PM
Raise pre all day.

Bet flop, bet turn, bomb river.
03-10-2011 , 06:14 AM
lol i love that he has AK and checked behind the BB, too... i think on second reading, that's my favorite part of this hand. but i'm going to go back and look again because there may be some other nuggets i haven't caught yet.
03-10-2011 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by fslexcduck
lol i love that he has AK and checked behind the BB, too... i think on second reading, that's my favorite part of this hand. but i'm going to go back and look again because there may be some other nuggets i haven't caught yet.
Take a look at both player's turn play as well
03-10-2011 , 10:32 AM
I think both opencompleting with 55 and the turn check are quite defensible.

If I raise w/ 55 and get reraised, I'll often have to fold the best hand. If I limp in and get raised, I can still see the flop while keeping the pot small.

As for the turn check, in case he was pulling a delayed bluff, which is quite possible on this kind of flop, I want to give him a chance to steal the pot.
03-10-2011 , 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
I think both opencompleting with 55 and the turn check are quite defensible.

If I raise w/ 55 and get reraised, I'll often have to fold the best hand. If I limp in and get raised, I can still see the flop while keeping the pot small.

As for the turn check, in case he was pulling a delayed bluff, which is quite possible on this kind of flop, I want to give him a chance to steal the pot.
u lose too much value from hands that are going to call down to try and get an extra bet from a bluff.. And wtf @ him having ak nice line bro
03-10-2011 , 04:08 PM
i think limping pre and the turn check are both fine? maybe not best all the time but certainly not terrible. why do people just berate the **** out of ppl here w/o even thinking

we're gonna win the pot a lot on the flop when we bet i doubt a random is gonna make it tough on us.

its hard for him to have Ax so hes just gonna fold a ton of hands to a turn bet, hard for us to get 3 streets vs his check range but we give him a chance to bluff and stuff
03-10-2011 , 04:59 PM
I agree that limping pre is fine. I also agree with the notion that being a dickhead and berating people who post is totally unnecessary and out of line, as well as proves that those who do such things are huge douchebags and losers in the game of life, no matter how good they are at poker (BC62 is a prime example of this type of scum). Checking the turn is not terrible but clearly betting turn is the best way to maximize profit. As for the river I'd have a hard time not reraising and might even just shove bc it is the Sunday mill and you will get paid off by Ax a large portion of the time.

      
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