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UB 1k: "Basic" PF Spot early on with the Interracial Ace and King UB 1k: "Basic" PF Spot early on with the Interracial Ace and King

07-29-2010 , 09:16 PM
This is about an hour into the UB 1k. Opener is a highly ranked, solid but sometimes spazzy 2p2er who has has had huge success running like god, but it's yet to be determined if he is actually godlike. The 3bettor, otoh, is an enormously successful 2p2er who crushes everything he touches. He owns your soul and mine, and he is a hero to most everyone, especially myself.

Overall both players are 16/13 for FR, but both are pretty tight pre antes, IME, and they have both been snug in this tourney, with the btn playing very nitty thus far (7.4/5.9 over 70 hands) and the SB seeing a few more flops. This is only the second time the sb has 3b, and the first one didn't go to showdown. I, on the other hand, have been extremely active, although I have only 3b twice, winning without sd both times, and I am yet to 4b. I do not know if either of the players are familiar with my UB name.

How do we proceed?


Absolute Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t30.00/t60.00 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t4100.00 M = 45.56
MP2: t4700.00 M = 52.22
CO: t1945.00 M = 21.61
BTN: t4016.00 M = 44.62
SB: t6489.00 M = 72.10
Hero (BB): t5060.00 M = 56.22
UTG: t8100.00 M = 90
UTG+1: t5930.00 M = 65.89
UTG+2: t5212.00 M = 57.91

Pre Flop: (t90) Hero is BB with K A
6 folds, BTN raises to t120, SB raises to t360, Hero?
07-29-2010 , 09:20 PM
How could this ever be anything but a 4b get it in

Edit: I mean I guess flatting is alright
07-29-2010 , 09:21 PM
NAMES!
07-29-2010 , 09:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JP OSU
How could this ever be anything but a 4b get it in
Surely it is because I am not confident enough that their 5b ranges have enough bluffs for me to get it in without throwing away chips. Like I said, the btn has been extremely nitty so far, and I am unsure about sb's pre ante oop 3b range.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mement_mori
NAMES!
Obviously, this spot could benefit from names, but I'd be a massive hypocrite if I listed them after making a post just two days ago in HSMTT about how I don't think it's appropriate or necessary to use names to publicly discuss people's ranges in common pf spots. I tired to provide as much relevant data as possible!
07-29-2010 , 10:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halowax
The 3bettor, otoh, is an enormously successful 2p2er who crushes everything he touches. He owns your soul and mine, and he is a hero to most everyone, especially myself.
I thought charder doesn't play on UB any more?
07-29-2010 , 10:24 PM
pretty sure we all know it's not charder

fwiw i think you made a pretty important distinction in your post the other day about when it should be appropriate to name people specifically, and i kind of think this is close if not a good spot for it tbh.

i just don't think this is that common a spot considering the depth. we're talking 5b, and even 6b ranges if BTN/SB decide not to jam, not 3betting AQo against an aggressive reg 40BB eff.
07-29-2010 , 10:27 PM
also my initial inclination is to flat. i think that both villains will be like "hmmmm" and not get out of line against it.

what i don't like about flat is that we're never bluffing, so our range becomes somewhat faceup and we're against two regs, one of whom is apparently a confirmed badass.
07-29-2010 , 10:28 PM
looks like good spot to 4 bet since it is btn/sb 3b. Only thing is getting it in if they 5 bet may be spewy with your read. I think a cold 4 bet looks pretty strong though. flatting is probably fine too and also looks strong cus many players may flat kk/aa in that spot some % of the time. the thing I dont like with flatting is you range is kinda obv often
07-29-2010 , 10:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hagbard celine
also my initial inclination is to flat. i think that both villains will be like "hmmmm" and not get out of line against it.
im not a HSMTTer.... but if we have AK, one of the best possible starting hands, why do we want to discourage either/both villains fromn getting out of line??
07-29-2010 , 10:39 PM
oh that's not what i meant.

it seems implied in the OP that we're really not sure either villain is going to get out of line against our 4bet considering the depth of stacks and lack of antes. and the possibility that we're an unknown on UB.

so if we can't profitably 4b/call then obviously we have to flat, and i was just pointing out that if we do i doubt OR is going read him as weak and try some nifty squeeze.
07-29-2010 , 10:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joey2714
im not a HSMTTer.... but if we have AK, one of the best possible starting hands, why do we want to discourage either/both villains fromn getting out of line??
because we got almost 90bb and 5/6 bet ranges may have us crushed.

I think i 4b if im calling off and flat if I'm not willing to 4b/call
07-29-2010 , 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hagbard celine
pretty sure we all know it's not charder
Yes, if villain had been Christian "Charder30" Harder, the description would have had a few important distinctions...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Halowax
The 3bettor, otoh, is an annoyingly successful 2p2er who incessantly crushes everything he touches. He owns your soul and, Lord knows, he posseses mine, and he is a hero to most, but a Super Villain to myself.
He is my arch-nemesis in a one sided feud that has no foundation in reality, but shall continue to exist till the end of time, even if I am but a blip on his radar, because every hero needs a rival, and why not this guy...



Look at him, PURE EVIL!

Quote:
Originally Posted by hagbard celine
fwiw i think you made a pretty important distinction in your post the other day about when it should be appropriate to name people specifically, and i kind of think this is close if not a good spot for it tbh.

i just don't think this is that common a spot considering the depth. we're talking 5b, and even 6b ranges if BTN/SB decide not to jam, not 3betting AQo against an aggressive reg 40BB eff.
Yea, I agree that this isn't exactly the same, but I still wouldn't really appreciate people discussing my 3b/5b tendencies publicly, and, while I don't know if these two even care or would do the same for me, I am gonna go ahead and give them that respect, regardless. I also think I provided plenty enough information about how the players play in general and how they are playing at the moment.

Besides, Mement was just trolling for gossip. How silly am I for thinking he would actually be interested in one of my strat threads?

Last edited by Halowax; 07-29-2010 at 11:24 PM.
07-29-2010 , 11:25 PM
This thread could be a lot of fun if everyone just started guessing who they thought the villains were.

...or even if stealthmunk came in and did the honors!

I think anyone who emits any sign of potential bluffy/spazzy tendencies should 4b/call to some number close to 1,000.

Anyone who can't rep cold 4b bluffs preflop in the ub 1k pre ante deep should elect to call.

Anyone who falls into above category but also feels uncomfortable postflop should either fold or (gasp!) put AK in the old 4b/fold range.
07-29-2010 , 11:41 PM
Most of the time when I have AK this deep against two very good players there isn't much I can do but muck. But given the positions, I thin I feel comfortable 4betting/getting it in here.
07-29-2010 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ASPoker8
This thread could be a lot of fun if everyone just started guessing who they thought the villains were.

...or even if stealthmunk came in and did the honors!
I concur. Guessing games are fun and I always encourage stealthmunking!
07-29-2010 , 11:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ASPoker8
This thread could be a lot of fun if everyone just started guessing who they thought the villains were.
Siola/Mement

the nutswinging is pretty gay, tho
07-29-2010 , 11:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjcace
because we got almost 90bb and 5/6 bet ranges may have us crushed.

I think i 4b if im calling off and flat if I'm not willing to 4b/call
+1 for this.
07-29-2010 , 11:56 PM
Villain is quite obviously not Mement, Pghfan. Unless you were grunching, which you obviously were not, as you responded to ASPoker's post, I am not sure how you could possibly come to that conclusion.

Also, I agree that if I was hugging another dude's nuts it would be pretty "gay", but I am by myself, and the only nuts within reach are my own. As far as I am aware, hugging these doesn't quite make me ho mo.
07-30-2010 , 12:03 AM
meh if their 5bet ranges are going to be super tight (and they are), I see nothing wrong with 900/fold (blockers are good)
07-30-2010 , 12:12 AM
i don't think fold is that terrible tbh. 4b/get it in is probably only good for a fairly small percentage of HSMTT'ers
07-30-2010 , 01:04 AM
Always hate spots like this, but I'm not folding in this button/sb/bb situation on the computer and won't lose too much sleep 4betting to 1000 and then getting it in vs QQ.
07-30-2010 , 03:16 AM
I dont hate folding even with these positions. if you 4-bet, I think it should be with the intention of folding to a 5-bet.

maybe could have done something better with my 14k post.
07-30-2010 , 03:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevepa
meh if their 5bet ranges are going to be super tight (and they are), I see nothing wrong with 900/fold (blockers are good)
I usually would not advocate this line but this seems like a reasonable one to take here. I also think flatting is fine, and 4bet/getting it in probably isn't horrendous, but seems far from optimal.
07-30-2010 , 03:44 AM
815/CALL PRE
what the **** else would u do
07-30-2010 , 05:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dana Gordon
815/CALL PRE
what the **** else would u do
this is def optimal for you vs anyone uve played with a bunch, but is not good in a lot of other peoples shoes. Also, no one knows anyones ub name which makes everything more complicated.

      
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