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two pair in 1k and i hate it two pair in 1k and i hate it

07-31-2008 , 10:58 AM
After 2nd thought - I didn't take note of how good the odds were here. We're getting 4 to 1 to call as aaaaaa said, and we're 5:1 against (this is right?) filling up for near lock. Again as stated before, I'm def checking this flop as well.

Acemagic - you seem to be on auto-cbet mode, which will get exploited like crazy.
07-31-2008 , 11:21 AM
i think folding is fine. that said, id probably call one street, opr him, re-evvaluate based solely on if hes a winning player over decent sample and his bet sizing/timing but i feel like im foolding, could make turn call spew but i think people are too clownish to fold turn
07-31-2008 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MonkeyButler
After 2nd thought - I didn't take note of how good the odds were here. We're getting 4 to 1 to call as aaaaaa said, and we're 5:1 against (this is right?) filling up for near lock. Again as stated before, I'm def checking this flop as well.

Acemagic - you seem to be on auto-cbet mode, which will get exploited like crazy.
That's fine Exploit away! But the fact is you did hit the flop and chances are, they didn't. If they re-raise you after the flop, you've lost a paltry sum, whereas by checking to the turn you now find yourself in a situation where you're scared he is beating you when you've got two pair and you're not sure whether or not to commit 1/3rd of your stack at the turn.

I wouldn't necessarily bet ANY flop, but you did hit something.

Bet the flop: Win immediately, or lose your smaller bet to a re-raise
Check the flop: Could win big or lose big

Plus ZJ123 said there are no reads yet. If the Villain continually re-raises your cbet, then stop cbetting until you actually nail a flop. But in this case, I would have definitely bet the flop, as Villian probably doesn't know you well enough yet.

But I play very very tight. Just my two cents.

-Ace
07-31-2008 , 11:52 AM
This seems like an easy call at first glance. But really, all you can beat on the turn is AJ, QT, KQcc, and KTcc. I don't think he checks QT twice after that turn card, and he probably raises more with one of the two drawing hands. Fold seems ok to me.
07-31-2008 , 01:01 PM
Flop is definitely a good check behind. Better hands aren't folding and worse aren't calling. Information and "making life easier" are not sufficient reasons to bet, nor is fear of a tiny turn check-raise. If the action went check-bet-call-check-bet-raise I would be hating life even more with Aces up, the flop check has nothing to do with it.

Call turn and re-evaluate river. There's enough chance this is a worse Ace or a spaz bluff.
07-31-2008 , 01:05 PM
In general I hate calling on the turn with the intention of folding to any bet unless I improve when my chances of improving are very low. Here the price is pretty good, but it's probably good for a reason. The A easily could have hit you, the guy's trying to keep you in the pot. Calling on the turn is kind of blah, don't really like it and don't hate it, but I think calling a river bet unimproved is a big mistake.
07-31-2008 , 01:16 PM
we have 2700 behind with 3900 in the pot if we flat call. Im not a huge fan of calling and folding to a river shove with these stacks.
07-31-2008 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ZJ123
we have 2700 behind with 3900 in the pot if we flat call. Im not a huge fan of calling and folding to a river shove with these stacks.
Nor am I. But I think you're not ahead enough to call a river shove, whereas you might be ahead enough to call the turn c/r, and if there is enough of a chance that he won't shove the river if you have the best hand then it might be the max +cEV line here.

      
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