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08-01-2010 , 06:22 PM

jon_midas

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I'm most certainly a random to him, and my image thus far is tight/passive. I was planning to chk/raise turn if he bet again. Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

Poker Stars $200+$15 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t28387 M = 47.31
BTN: t10990 M = 18.32
Hero (SB): t27795 M = 46.33
BB: t7300 M = 12.17
UTG: t24247 M = 40.41
UTG+1: t6670 M = 11.12
UTG+2: t10714 M = 17.86
MP1: t5802 M = 9.67
MP2: t17912 M = 29.85

Pre Flop: (t600) Hero is SB with 2

4 folds, MP2 raises to t895, 2 folds, Hero calls t695, 1 fold

Flop: (t2190) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t1225, Hero calls t1225

Turn: (t4640) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: (t4640) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets t2400, MP2 raises to t8888, Hero ????

08-01-2010 , 06:30 PM

JackOfSpeed

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I probably lead out the turn for 2/3 pot. Hate giving a free card there.

As for the river, I guess I start by vomiting... then call I guess?

Last edited by JackOfSpeed; 08-01-2010 at 06:36 PM.

08-01-2010 , 07:04 PM

GeoffRas22

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this seems like a fairly easy fold

08-01-2010 , 07:10 PM

tufat23

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fold pre?

08-01-2010 , 07:14 PM

ChopSueyyy

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raise flop big?

08-01-2010 , 07:16 PM

JackOfSpeed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChopSueyyy

raise flop big?

this > calling flop and leading turn > checking turn, imo

08-01-2010 , 09:00 PM

betgo

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Like preflop.

I would raise the flop or lead the turn or something. You can't expect him to keep firing on a low drawy flop. Gotto try to build the pot OOP.

08-01-2010 , 09:22 PM

mement_mori

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fold pre

08-01-2010 , 09:41 PM

jon_midas

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mement_mori

fold pre

is it fold pre b/c of ape's position? are you saying that since his range is wider hes less likely to stack off postflop?

08-01-2010 , 10:52 PM

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Neptune04

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Pretty much that's why, a good opponent opening a wide range makes set mining unprofitable plus being oop means it's harder to get the necessary implied odds realised when u do hit as this hand demonstrates to some extent.

I'd c/r the flop as u can rep bluffs and draws and negates ur positional disadvantage.

08-01-2010 , 10:59 PM

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discomonkey

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i def like cr the drawy flop, can get bluff shoves and all teh value that u might miss out from overpairs if the board flushes or straightens or beings an overcard.

prolly fold pre vs a good fairly laggy oppo for the reasons stated above

08-01-2010 , 10:59 PM

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NeverScaredB

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I would lead flop smallish if he views you as a random.

08-02-2010 , 02:24 AM

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cacoochaooo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neptune04

bb could easily squeeze us out of the hand as well..

08-02-2010 , 02:39 AM

#14

betgo

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You are getting 2.2-1 immediate odds preflop, so the call can't be that bad.

I like c/r flop, bet turn. This is the best way to build the pot OOP. You could do that with a draw or maybe a bluff. It likely gets action from an overpair or nut flush draw. If villain missed, you won't get that much action on this flop anyway.

08-02-2010 , 03:14 AM

#15

XXsooted

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Quote:

Originally Posted by betgo

Like preflop.

I would raise the flop or lead the turn or something. You can't expect him to keep firing on a low drawy flop. Gotto try to build the pot OOP.

+ 1

08-02-2010 , 04:12 AM

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smokrokflock

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Quote:

Originally Posted by betgo

You are getting 2.2-1 immediate odds preflop, so the call can't be that bad.

you are wrong!

08-02-2010 , 04:46 AM

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jiggybluff

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fold pre for reasons stated above, but i deff think c/r lead turn is a way to go here to balance yer ranges w/flushydraws

08-02-2010 , 05:32 AM

#18

alekhine11

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Do not underestimate yourself m8 ,I very much doubt you are unknown to him.That being said,and for that reason ,I like your call preflop . You should lead that turn hard ( with and without a set ) a fair amount of time with your image.
As played it is folding time.

08-02-2010 , 07:25 AM

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matze_widi

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how do we fold pre?well we are oop vs a tough opponent but still...
i would certainly c/r flop, as played prolly fold river but lead turn when c/c flop

08-02-2010 , 07:27 AM

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DonButtons

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Fold pre

-given u called...I rather c/r flop/donk flop then c/c.

-given u c/c, I'd donk out turn

river..dont know anything about apestyles, though assuming hes standard solid reg playing ton of tournaments i just fold w/ ur image

08-02-2010 , 09:49 AM

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lissi stinkt

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obv. fold pre, if u dont plan to outplay him postflop lol

small check/raise flop looks bluffy imo

08-02-2010 , 12:38 PM

#22

noname6520

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NeverScaredB

I would lead flop smallish if he views you as a random.

oh thats nice. didnt think of that.

I was gonna say just cr big which is good too

but nsb is def right if ur read is right

08-02-2010 , 12:39 PM

#23

noname6520

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smokrokflock

you are wrong!

doesnt calling depend on if there is a fish in the BB?

08-02-2010 , 12:45 PM

#24

RandomGuy2

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Fold pre seems insane and seems like giving up to me. It isn't like this is a marginal setmining spot with 25x behind.

But I really think you should c/r this flop, as the extremely drawy nature + random clown factor with non-set pairs and 7x hands means Ape will call with all his good stuff.

08-02-2010 , 01:06 PM

#25

Pghfan987

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I would fold pre but I don't think it's awful. I would hood flat from the BB for sure. I like c/r the flop, he is going to go for pot control in position with too many hands for c/c the flop and checking the turn to be optimal.

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