Full Tilt Poker $40,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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SB: t2960 M = 98.67
Hero (BB): t3000 M = 100
UTG: t2930 M = 97.67
UTG+1: t3000 M = 100
UTG+2: t3000 M = 100
MP1: t2830 M = 94.33
MP2: t3140 M = 104.67
CO: t3070 M = 102.33
BTN: t3070 M = 102.33

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 6 6
3 folds, MP1 raises to t60, 2 folds, BTN calls t60, SB calls t50, Hero calls t40

Flop: (t240) 5 6 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t140, MP1 calls t140, BTN calls t140, SB calls t140

Turn: (t800) 9 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, BTN checks

River: (t800) Q (4 players)
SB checks, Hero requests TIME, Hero checks, MP1 checks, BTN bets t560, SB folds, Hero requests TIME, Hero ????


Villain is playing 21/15/3 after 170hands. I recognize his sn, but no other real reads.

looks like a fold barring specific reads. Its gay bc he checked back turn which was stupid but whatever. I think in general once you get called 4 ways on flop you gotta give credit for the FD. The only reason I might wanna pay him is bc hes last to act but itd be a pretty bad spot to bluff in general if he is.

Got to grumble fold really, unless hes German.

Why did you request time on the river? Think that makes it more of a fold, even though the guys last to act.

I'd bet more on the flop. Very drawy and overpairs aren't folding.

meh i'd call doubt he checks back a flush/78 ott

4 handed with that board I am betting more like 185 on flop

river is close and I am tempted to call only cause it is the button betting in a hand where no one has show too much interest in the pot

I'm torn between call and fold.
If he has the nut flush I can actually see him checking the turn if he's a random.

I agree with Burns no way 87 checks that turn with 4 people still in and 3 to the flush out.

But I sigh fold because I can't really put him on any hand we beat there given his line readless.

Bet more on the flop and I cannot fold river

+1 agreed

i would cr flop but as played call river

definitely check raise flop
this half pot flop lead is so gay
if ur gonna lead make it a lot bigger
as played u gotta call river

Call, NH

if you are an unknown try open shoving this flop now and then.
1) you are oop and if you get flatted you really hate about half the deck here on the turn.

2) leading out here puts peoples set alarms on anyway and i like the chances of stacking an overpair in a multiway pot by open shoving this flop than either donkbetting (for any less than pot amount) an checkraising. Remember the hands you reallly want action from are overpairs and obv smaller sets. Those hands hate half the deck on the turn as well. open shoving prices out all the draw but if they are going to call its massively +EV and you cant be outplayed (st8 draws bluffing flush cards, flush draws bluffing str8 cards)

3)to those wanting to checkraise, if you do this and get flatted, again you are in anasty spot on a ton of turns. I honestly think that the times you get called for all of the chips by people with 2 outs by open shoving will make up for all the 2streets of value you will tend to get by checkraising or leading out here and betting safe turns.

I think leading flop is a lot better than c/r (sizing sucks) because there's no need to bloat a huge pot when a lot of turns can be hard to play. He had queens.

If you bloat the pot the turn is no longer hard to play. River is a pretty easy call imo.

I experimented with this for a while on 2-flush boards scary boards with mixed results. Basically shoving trying to rep some scared made hand or the draw.

Hard to know for sure how it worked out because mostly I got folds and don't know if they had anything to pay off anyway. The few times I was called, though, it was surprisingly light, i.e. TP picking off my bluff or flushdraws with an over or two that didn't want to fold after flopping their "monster" draw.

I think in this case with a crowded pot it might be a good spot to try it, somebody might look you up.

As played fold river to the obvious QQ.

QQ??

Bet more on flop. Call river

FYP

1st thing I thought was to bet a bit more on the flop. I would usually bet/fold the river I think, any thoughts on that?

being in the big blind and flopping a set on this board I am almost always going for the chk/raise or chk/shove. It's very rare to get checked through. It also wouldn't be the end of the world if that happened.

i dont fold river, there was a small bet on the flop, and it then checks around twice to the button who takes a stab at the pot on the river.

he is definitely doing this with (bad) bluffs and worse value hands.

+1 to C/R flop.

QxQc?

should we bet the turn? Think we should discuss more plays ott

No, the reason leading is better than c/r is because we're not gonna get any action unless one of the villains has a monster in which case getting the money in is a freebie anyways.

i like c/r but i'm making it huge otf so that it actually means something to them, not some little panzee c/r that gets called by three people. i don't care if they fold, as turns/rivers are not going to be friendly to us this deep oop, and i want to ensure that i can play for stacks on any decent turn. if it checks through just play according to turn texture but ur hand will likely still be the effective nuts and i doubt this checks through often.

on the river doesn't make sense for him to show up with flushes or the straight really but he almost never has air either, meh i'm torn on the river but probably click call ingame b/c i can't see him having the two hands i feel beat me (straight or flush) that are value betting