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09-13-2010 , 03:19 AM
Ok this hand was with 5 ppl to the money... villain was flatting a lot pre i had him 27/17 over a medium sample...
Poker Stars $500+$30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds + t150 - 9 players
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MP2: t34358 M = 10.91
CO: t18170 M = 5.77
BTN: t13804 M = 4.38
SB: t157737 M = 50.08
BB: t49014 M = 15.56
UTG: t17830 M = 5.66
UTG+1: t205241 M = 65.16
UTG+2: t18012 M = 5.72
Hero (MP1): t188210 M = 59.75

Pre Flop: (t3150) Hero is MP1 with Q Q
3 folds, Hero raises to t2555, 3 folds, SB calls t1955, BB calls t1355

Flop: (t9015) 9 2 9 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t5422, SB raises to t14400, BB folds, Hero calls t8978

Turn: (t37815) 5 (2 players)
SB bets t30000, Hero calls t30000

River: (t97815) 9 (2 players)
SB bets t24000
09-13-2010 , 03:26 AM
Call, I think I fold turn tho.
09-13-2010 , 03:52 AM
I think I play it the same and just call the river.
09-13-2010 , 04:29 AM
I think your perceived range has a lot of pairs , even if he can't read hands why would he bet so small with quads? I don't think he is betting for induce so why not raise these river?
09-13-2010 , 04:32 AM
What was villains 3bet %? Usually 27/17 guys have a small 3bet range (since their flatting range is so wide), which means they've got a loot in their PF range (including some 66-88s and even TTs maybe?)
09-13-2010 , 04:36 AM
i dont mind raising to 70k on river
also you cannot bubble this tourney no matter what you do so bubble doesnt matter much
he is very often bluffing/betting something you beat i think

edit: reread post about him being very not-aggressive, making it less likely for him to bluff, but i still would rather put him on a spaz than on a legit hand, its very hard for him to have a hand, i would raise for value, and feel comfortable laying down to a 3bet
09-13-2010 , 04:39 AM
27/17 villains dont know why they bet. Might he be "value-bluffing" something like 88? :P
09-13-2010 , 05:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bond18
I think I play it the same and just call the river.
+1
09-13-2010 , 05:43 AM
shove river and dont think its close vs this sizing if he shows me KK+ or quads ok, i don't think random idiots fold pocket pairs here above a 5 ever.
09-13-2010 , 06:23 AM
looks like 22.
09-13-2010 , 06:50 AM
is there anything wrong with 3-betting flop smallish? calling and raising both look pretty strong so we may as well get some more money in the pot and give him a chance to spaz out with a smaller pair.
09-13-2010 , 09:04 AM
I definitely want to raise something small so he can f-it/call with some awful boat because the FD missed.
09-13-2010 , 10:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellzito
I think your perceived range has a lot of pairs , even if he can't read hands why would he bet so small with quads? I don't think he is betting for induce so why not raise these river?
Quote:
shove river and dont think its close
To get called by what , a busted draw ?

Last edited by alekhine11; 09-13-2010 at 10:52 AM.
09-13-2010 , 10:54 AM
I would tank for a while and make it like 75k.

I prob fold turn though.
09-13-2010 , 12:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by alekhine11
To get called by what , a busted draw ?

It's not because is a 9 9 2 board with FD board he check raise that he MUST have FD. He can easy have 88-JJ and think he is doing for value or even a small pair , 22 , A5hh and make a blocking bet. He can have a nine is his range too , but these betsize isn't the standard and it's not even close.
09-13-2010 , 12:46 PM
Definitely raise the turn. I'll probably play flop and turn the same way.
Some ppl advice to fold the turn, but the board is just so dry and villain really represents such a small range.

If villain is very aggressive and capable of bluffshoving the river if we raise here, then I think we have an easy call.
Against this (passive) villain I will raise for sure. Probably make it something like 57K and fold if he shoves. I doubt he'll b/f here with any FH and probably makes a tilt/frustration call with 22.
09-13-2010 , 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellzito
It's not because is a 9 9 2 board with FD board he check raise that he MUST have FD. He can easy have 88-JJ and think he is doing for value or even a small pair , 22 , A5hh and make a blocking bet. He can have a nine is his range too , but these betsize isn't the standard and it's not even close.
I do thoroughly agree.What I was trying to point out was that I truly doubt someone is calling a river raise, on that board , with 88-JJ and the current betting, thus no point in raising ; just trying to be sarcastic/making a point with my previous comment .
09-13-2010 , 01:31 PM
I don't know how we're not raising the river with this sizing. Even if he doesn't call there is lots of value in not opening our hand, etc. And he definitely might level himself in to a call with worse....I think folding the turn is pretty absurd, but raising the turn or the flop is even more absurd
09-13-2010 , 01:57 PM
Anyone check back the flop? Feel we can induce a lot of bluffs on the turn and river and also helps pot control a ton so we keep out of a giant pot like this where we are either way ahead or way behind?

Might be way off idk
09-13-2010 , 02:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcmatto
Anyone check back the flop? Feel we can induce a lot of bluffs on the turn and river and also helps pot control a ton so we keep out of a giant pot like this where we are either way ahead or way behind?

Might be way off idk
3way and there is a fd. they certainly have worse they may call with + we don't end up leveling ourselves on future streets. checking back seems results oriented..

+1 to raising river as played
09-13-2010 , 02:16 PM
I agree with raising river. His bet size screams weakness. If he was leading small to induce a raise good for him, but that's not usually the case here.

Raising turn is terrible.
09-13-2010 , 03:50 PM
As much as it's tempting to raise river I think I raise some villains and flat some villains depending on my read on how good the villain is.

if villains has been flatting alot you should have some type of read on him how well he plays post, and how well he hand reads, what's your read on villains post flop game??
09-13-2010 , 04:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bond18
I think I play it the same and just call the river.
This!
09-13-2010 , 04:39 PM
easy raise. he can have any pocket pair and nothing else
09-13-2010 , 04:57 PM
just call I don't think he pays off enough to justify the risk of him having the 9

      
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