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Parx 0 14 left Facing Overpot River Shove Parx 0 14 left Facing Overpot River Shove

10-18-2016 , 08:55 PM
Parx $550, 25k/50k/5k ante, about 30 minutes left of this 90 minute level. $4300 locked up right now, payouts go $89k, 56k, 36k, 27k on down.

Villain is good, $700k in live earnings. Loose aggressive, likes to see flops, sticky post. Should note that his decisions are always immediate, whether it's an open, a 3 bet, jamming, defending against a 3 bet. Pretty bizarre really. The only time he hasn't acted immediately is when I've given him the pile, which has been several times as we've wound down.

Quite a bit of history that I feel is relevant.

About 50 left I'm 2 to his left, he opens a 45 bb stack I jam 18bbs from the button with Ace Ten off, and win the flip against his 6s.

After that double, I 3bet the cutoff with AK hearts he snap defends. Snap calls 10 9 5 2 diamonds flop. Snap jams 6 of clubs turn.

Final 3 tables he was two to my left, never 3 bet my late position opens but defended the small or big probably 4 out of 5 times.

Raised AJ hearts on button, Villain defends bb. 6 7 9 2 spades flop, I check behind, he bets a 3 turn and I fold.

Raised QJ of diamonds on button, Villain defends. 3 4 6 2 diamonds, I bet he calls. Turn black deuce, check check. River black 8 he bets 35k (yep) into 500k or so. I fold.



Anyways, Day 3 final 2 tables. We have tournament chip leader with $800k in live earnings sitting on like 7 mill 2 to Villains right who came in with 2.6 mill to start the day, and I'm 2 to Villain's right with 1.2 mill to start the day. Those 2 are buddies and have been going at it with no regard for me behind them. I've cold 4 bet Villain at least 3 times after he 3 bet chip leader. He folded first two times, then called off the extra 580k with Queen Ten of spades when I had Aces (lol) on the third. I also jammed his button open with 14 bbs and he tank folded with K5 suited face up. Everyone else at the table has pretty much just been watching the 3 of us play. The hand in question takes place about an orbit after I doubled with Aces.

25k/50k/5k ante, 1.6 mill for me, V about 1.2

Open AJo to 110k utg, V defends sb, bb calls.

Flop Ace Ten 3 rainbow V check calls 135k.

Turn 6 completing the rainbow, V checks I think and check.

River 2, V says allin after about 3 seconds. Bet is 980k to Hero.

Thoughts and thanks for reading.
10-18-2016 , 09:33 PM
If villain is Kevin Grabel I am not folding.
10-18-2016 , 10:43 PM
After I've checked the turn, I'm almost always calling the river. There is 600+ in the middle, which is too much to give up on. If you see AT or AQ so be it, but it feels as though you are good here much of the time.
10-18-2016 , 11:39 PM
Bet turn
Fold river mostly
10-19-2016 , 02:40 AM
Usually I'm not a big fan of hero calls,but this somehow feels like the spot to empty the clip...
10-19-2016 , 06:55 AM
I don't mind checking flop and calling down seeing as he how many times he has probed turns and rivers assuming you're capped
10-19-2016 , 09:04 AM
Ya if villain is kevin grabel, please do not fold.
10-19-2016 , 09:11 AM
Although it does suck because he is the type of player to have like 54ss sometimes, low suited Axss and small pps which you normally wouldnt put a player on with that stack size.
10-19-2016 , 09:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ValuetownJL
I don't mind checking flop and calling down seeing as he how many times he has probed turns and rivers assuming you're capped
this
10-19-2016 , 03:38 PM
Why did you check turn?
10-19-2016 , 03:51 PM
I checked turn because I had been giving up on turns to this guy for a day and a half. Felt I should probably do it again. Literally said to myself in game, ,"Mike, if you check this turn you have to be ready to call river," but I didn't want to tell you guys that without some discussion first.
10-20-2016 , 06:30 AM
I will rather x/back flop, than bet flop/x turn *line*
I think this always 2p+, so i will fold (and no, i don´t know who V is)
10-20-2016 , 10:16 AM
so whats he going to show up with here that we beat then?

i like ops line
10-20-2016 , 11:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by watevs
so whats he going to show up with here that we beat then?

i like ops line
said villain is pretty bluff happy and very aggro. He is very very sticky pre, so he can have a vast number of bluffs here. I dont think he bets for value like this with less, but he def is bluffing a pretty high frequency here.
10-20-2016 , 11:27 AM
I would rather check back that dry flop and bet turn (or let him probe wide). If I bet flop, I bet turn too, there is too much value in valuebetting weaker aces, sometimes Tx. As played, he is not valuebetting worse, and we block some of his broadway combos bluffs with our J. I'd fold.
10-20-2016 , 11:36 AM
Turn is an easy checkback and I'm calling river somewhat happily.
10-20-2016 , 12:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad1Lee
I would rather check back that dry flop and bet turn (or let him probe wide). If I bet flop, I bet turn too, there is too much value in valuebetting weaker aces, sometimes Tx. As played, he is not valuebetting worse, and we block some of his broadway combos bluffs with our J. I'd fold.
yea agree mostly but if you dont bet this flop you rly dont have a betting range otf so prty sure betting this for a 60-80% size is going to be best here, you have other worse ax combos that will be more interested in x this board otf
turn is another bet for value/protection and then river will usually be best street to check
as mad said our j blocker doesnt rly help us alot and reduces his bluffing combos by a decent %

also. what do you expect villain to turn over here?
has anyone thought about trying to construct a viable bluffing range for oop? or is your guys strategy to just close your eyes and call because "you are underrepped" or because villain is aggro
10-20-2016 , 02:33 PM
bet, bet, bet vs kg let him be the hero.
10-20-2016 , 03:28 PM
I do prefer the bet, bet, probably check behind river line. Doubt he would be leading river much and by bet, bet, check we get our 2 streets of value vs a sticky villain.
10-20-2016 , 04:34 PM
prettty clear bet on the turn imo
10-20-2016 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lolposting2016
yea agree mostly but if you dont bet this flop you rly dont have a betting range otf so prty sure betting this for a 60-80% size is going to be best here, you have other worse ax combos that will be more interested in x this board otf
turn is another bet for value/protection and then river will usually be best street to check
I agree that flop is better off as a bet, I am just saying it could be a check sometimes depending on this or that. But if you bet flop, bet turn too.

It's a typical mtter's mindtrap: "oh, I checked, I am underrepped, he bluffing, gotta call", completely incorrect approach to making decisions otr.
10-20-2016 , 05:23 PM
Those advocating a turn bet, if V check jams what do we do? Or V check calls donk shoves river. Both standard folds?
10-20-2016 , 05:52 PM
how about we don't start plotting scenarios that will happen <10% of the time
10-20-2016 , 06:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
how about we don't start plotting scenarios that will happen <10% of the time
actually thought we were up against bb the whole hand, and that this hand was hu, changes a lot. check back on turn call river pretty fast seems fine then. can also bet turn, I think both are fine still.
10-20-2016 , 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad1Lee
"oh, I checked, I am underrepped, he bluffing, gotta call", completely incorrect approach to making decisions otr.
not really

      
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