This forum has really gone to Hell since the Ansky post from a few years back with durrr and others responding. All the most notorious posters seem to be posting ITT now.

I don't know whether I would get banned in the process but there are a few regular poster here who really shouldn't be allowed to post in HSMTT.

Some people with 100 posts talking about what an idiot I am with no specifics about what they disagree with. I guess my post in really dumb, but no one has explained what is wrong with my analysis.

you don't play deep very often, do you.

never play deep....just love 4betting stuffing in stacks with jacks!!!

lol

NO GAMBLE NO FUTURE

gotta be less likely to spazz in the same way as when he got caught, calling pre with your almost nut call 3bet pre hand (for this situation i mean) seems pretty cool (agree with TT usually only 4balling kk/aa for value). if stack to pot is reduced, isn't being IP way less cool than normal? as played i have no clue, i guess fold turn but def open to other options if someone can show the other options' merits. fwiw i like you betgo

1. Euro that bluffs like that and has it shown = possibly less likely FOR HIM to do it again, but waaaaaaaaaaaay more likely than someone you haven't seen do that. STILL A BLUFFER.

2. Pre is stupid close but relative position argument is useless because the SB is an old texan, who the **** cares what he does in this hand its just of no consequence at all to us. I prob flat specifically due to the fact that I've seen him bet without the lead before.

3. Don't you dare raise flop any of you seriously outrageous. He's gonna call and lead turn or something, don't be idiots.

4. its the main event this is why none of you will do well although I'm sure one of you will win it, congrats!

1 - obv
2 - meh
3 - eh
4 - uh

Is this a problem? Not sure I like raising the flop. However, if you raise the flop, it should not be to find out where you are at. If I raise the flop in this situation, it is not with the idea of ever folding.

mayb instead of doing this math, you should first learn how to play well enough to achieve such a winrate

Sorry buddy mine is actually 0.2bb/h in soft events when that deep. Playing good enough is why i wouldnt have 4bet preflop and own the loose gambler postflop even raising at flop instead of calling down 3 streets flipping 50% of my stack that deep with a hand that cant improve easily. Pot control, risk control, let them bluff you all day = win with smaller risk. Plus set mining works better with 2 opponents and so does reading them good letting them act on each other and gain info many ways and keep also the bluffer more honest (vs 2 if so) and unaware how strong i am. And of course JJ doesnt need set but you cant be happy creating big pots with overcard and 4bet call range that can be a lot of hands that beat JJ if the guy is manipulating situation and prior image of loose gambler.

really surprised by some of the comments/advice I'm reading ITT...flat the 3b pre for the reasons Scott mentioned...as played I'd prob fold the turn..euro doesnt look like he's slowing down on the river and I'm not comfortable calling a huge bet OTR w JJ in this spot in the first level of the ME as most rivers are not making my decision any easier...results?

omg, when I saw this threads 6 pages long + NSB, I thought it prolly a good read. prolly fold the turn, and I dont really like 4b pre.

Sad how people complain about free advice....we should be pretty thankful that OP is willing to share this hand with us. Here is a Guy who gets a lot of money to coach and yet he is willing to share his thoughts on a very tough hand and he gives advice to others out of good will

I like betgo too he is one of a handful of 2p2ers who is not an a-hole

People folding the turn should have folded the flop coz he's betting all turns and Jack only hits turn 1 in 22

that i agree with
and i like the 4b pre in this spot

it's the ****ing ME so dont treat this spot like a random online FO and exploid him by folding the flop. sucks with the 56o read but there is not much else to say.
he will not stop barreling since he tries way to hard to win pots, so dont be surprised if he bets the turn again.

Unrealzeal actually posted something intelligent and I would've never known it if Furo hadn't quoted him!

After thinking about this hand more I've decided flatting pre is alright, but I think 4betting smaller is the best play.

I really think the euro is more likely to try to make a move in a 4bet pot than 3barrel away at this deep.

Also mastrs obv right, guys a bluffer! I play hand to let him bluff! I think making it 1975 pre is best! (F balance)

I think going too much smaller is going to result in some ****ty spots where he takes hands from lower in his value range and 5-bets them because he thinks he has the best hand, instead of flatting them.

Might still be best, just a worry I had.

If this Euro guy is such a spazz why on earth would you be possibly dumping chips to him in such a marginal spot..pretty simple, fold turn, wait for a spot..if he's that bad you'll get the chips eventually so don't gift wrap your chips for him

paranoia....even tho guy donked out with 6 high i just refuse to believe in main event anyones 5betting anything other than QQ+AK/bluffs and bluffs nevvvvver n unlikely QQ or AK even.

Yes looks like at early levels unless your are this guy wasting several millions over what??? making the 3rd guy super happy to watch (Hellmuth...and Boom! lol)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C35AeXoB16c

Preflop's a clear, clear 4-bet against a super-aggro Euro BTN vs. BB. Don't see how that's debatable. I'd even go bigger and try to give him a chance to shove 66 or something. Think that's totally reasonable to hope for in this spot. I agree that the flop's a pretty tough spot though since that's the exact same line that he used when he got caught bluffing before. Definitely don't think he's doing it with pure air again, but at the same time, there are a lot of draws that he might just not have another good line for, and I could even see it as a weird pot control line with TT or something. There's probably a lot of good hands in his range too though. Pretty gross spot.

Sounds like a cop out, but I think this is a spot where you have to use LIVEREADZ and gameflow to make a decision. You can probably pick up a little something from timing, the way he puts out chips, etc., here, right? Maybe even call flop, tank forever on turn, and then fold if he calls time, and call down if he doesn't.

not that simple bro

Man, I hate a 4 bet in this spot so bad. Especially at early levels, where really, how good can your read be after playing for 3 hours and see only so many hands. If you get 5 bet, you are going to be making a tough decision as to whether this guy is playing you or if he has it. I would definately not like to go that route. I would need a lot more history to think that this guy is always calling inferior hands against my 4 bet an d that he is 3 betting light (and small OOP).

Given the description of the villain, definately folding the flop is out of the question. I think the difficult decision, given the way the hand was played is what to do on the turn. Now that the pot has gotten large enough, we need to think about protecting our hand. Very likely villain has a draw given the description of his tendency. But The question is how confident are we in this read? And if he does having something that is beating us say KhQh, AhQh, will he fold to a shove?

hand 1 main event, table is all full of absolutely clueless types. Folds to small blind who says that this is a one-time thing for the fun of it and open jams and shows you AQs, you have KK in big blind what do you do.

Wouldn't poker be so much fun if we could see all the hole cards?