Didn't read stack size but not knowing that info I flat 9 then check turn if no set

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+1 so far but gonna read the rest ...

I would've flatted pre and let him spazz I agree if the old guy gets in he's gonna play so straight forward you shouldn't be too worried. As played I raise this flop, your hand comes off as really strong, sizing I'm not sure but raise and then throw up if he shoves lol...

I don't see the plan for calling when there are so many bad turn cards, what do you on an A/K/T and all hearts. What're we playing against? Hoping to beat? Pure air? Thats why I think you test him on the flop plus make your seem really strong like AA/KK/AQ. People are spazzy but not THAT spazzy for there tournament life, when you just call the flop you're just flipping the coin on every turn of the card hoping your read is right...Idk...results tho???

People ITT underrate equity and overrate straight-forwardness. If the old guy has KQ or AQ or 77 or 9Ts, him playing straight-forward doesn't necessarily mean we don't want him to fold pre, especially when his straight-forward play is going to start with a check to the PFR even when he's strong.

TY! Pot control against a spazz w a really strong hand in position (in the main event) I think is way better than playing a big pot with the spazz this early when its also clear your +EV (56o hand speaks for itself)

agreed.
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Yeh, but old guy isn't going to pure bluff in the 3-bet pot 3-way. Are we worried about him taking us off of our hand with a draw? Or are we worried about calling down the preflop raiser when the old guy overcalls and has us beat? Seems like we are well ahead of his range, so not sure what the problem is with his being in the hand.

Resultssssss...???

I flat pre here for sure to avoid finding myself in a spot like this in the WSOP Main Event. Even though you're almost assuredly going 3way to the flop, I still like flatting and taking it from there. There's just too much value in the event for which you need to be patiently waiting.

As played I probably just fold the flop. As you describe him, he seems inexperienced. I chalk his leading up to just being scared about this pot getting big early and just wanting to take it down with KQ+. I know that's giving a lot of credit to a guy who has shown you some garbage, but unless you turn a Jack things are going to suck pretty bad when he bets again.

Obv. he called the flop and folded the turn because he was scared for the..... wait for it........... oh noes! Tournament life!

sounds like a fancy way of saying you wanted to isolate the loose bb, but i think we are so deep that playing 3way with position will make you a lot more chips in the long run...i'm not convinced that 3way IP < iso the BB

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very interesting thread, why did it stop?

OP, what's your action ott?

Still some interest in this, I guess. I called turn. River is an offsuit ace, and he checks quickly. Now I...?

i think that calling flop is good if we think he will randombluff and then we can call down his barrels.. but if we dont think he will random bluff, what about raising flop small so that he checks turn?

edit: we can get a cheaper showdown, and sometimes he can spazz on flop if he is blufing(we can decide on flop given his sizing)

Deciding based on sizing with a tiny sample of hands for our ZOMG tournament life in the main event is just not a good plan.

I like flatting preflop, and if we dont flat I like 1900.

I'd also just fold the flop.

Dont know if euro is more likely to try and bluff us the same way twice, but I bet he is more likely to lead with sets/2pr after the 56 hand. He probably also has a b/3b range of strong draws and QhXh hands. Hes also got the random euro factor.

Against a range of: QhBh,8h9h,4h5h,AhBh,Ah8h,66,77,QQ,88,99,TT,JJ,67,Q 7,Q6,AQ,QK

We are 30.1%, which means that odds would dictate a call if we were facing an all in bet, but we are not facing an all in bet. I think our hand is too difficult to play to showdown for too little reward in this awesome structure fishy tournament. That being said if we add 16 bluff combos to villains range we are 37.22% and if we add 32 we are 42.55%, so if we think villain is bluffing enough we can afford to call. You cannot know if villain is bluffing enough based on your limited history with him. Better spots yo.

good try, good effort, but his range is super weighted to draws/b1uffs/tarding out and against va1ue hands and oyu have position and can make more correct decisions based on more information and narrow his range down more

You gave him way too many va1ue hands wtf 67/Q7/Q6 a11 QhBh and AhBh, just not the case

donk outs are not ba1anced strong ranges 1ike you have constructed here, they are a1ways weighted against nuttier parts/moreso finding out where they are at/b1uffy esp with euros

now in the main event I certain1y see myse1f just fo1ding f1op if im not comfortabe1e with read but i a1so ca11 sometimes a 1ot prob more often htan not, but f1atting pre i do a 1ot too , so w/e id on1y 4b pre if i had a pretty strong idea what to do post f1op vs this guy

1ot of that range makes no sense due to pref1op too or weighted aginst a1ot at 1east

Oops sorry the queen was a heart so he cant have QhXh combos.

I agree with the above about the range I constructed, which is why I mentioned putting in bluffing combos. When constructing a range in a program like this it is hard to pin down hands that he will be euro spewing with, so we can put in certain combos with very little equity to see how our hand plays against a weaker range that contains bluffs.

cbh?

not sure he calls w/ worse or folds any hand that beats us

Hard to say he doesnt fold any hands that beat us with a queen on the board.

Above me, but I don't see how you can do anything but check behind at this point. 22k in the pot, ~15k behind. I suppose you could lead for 5kish on a "please call me I slowplayed a monster" bluff and fold if he shoves. But it seems like you got to this point because you think jacks are likely good here vs. a wild player. I don't think we're going to get him off a set or 2 pair with the amount of chips in the pot. In fact, given your description of him I don't think we'll get him off Ax either, if he'd been barreling with that, though perhaps off of KQ.

If he checked conspicuously quickly, my first thought is that he wants you to think that he's putting you on A and that he will now give up on KQ. So I'm thinking he likely has far better than that, maybe even AA or the 9-10 nuts.

Well anyway I just don't see how you can do anything but check behind and hope he had 89, 1010 or something like that. I kinda hope you did, so we can see his hand!

Prefer flatting pre myself to potcontrol/not get in awkward 5b spots in a bloated pot + the main having the nut structure etc. Would def call flop with the intention of calling basically every turn. Ppl are underestimating how tilty euro spazzes are imo they just love the lead- donk bluff. River I think i like a shove although you have the best hand a decent amount but should be able to get him to fold basically the deck considering his flat pre and the stength of your perceived line. Ppl dont want to bust the main lvl 1 n tell there backers how they busted calling off 1p/2p type hands in a 600bb pot ,so yeah like a shove.

Really interesting hand