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03-24-2010 , 11:49 AM
Live WPT $10k. Villain is a satellite winner so we'll call him SW. A little history...

Hand 1 (30k effective) he makes it 400 utg at 25/50 (8x) and gets called by BB. Flop ($825) 7h 8h Jc. BB checks SW bets 800, BB calls. Turn ($2425) 8s, check check. River ($2425) 10h, BB bets 2k and SW snaps with AKo. BB turns over same hand and SW says something like, "I knew you had AK because that's the same way I would have played it if I was you."

Hand 2 I missed the sizing but SW called an open from the button as did the BB. Flop Q 6 8 rainbow, original raiser bets, SW raises, BB cold calls and original raiser folds. Turn 3, BB checks, SW shoves and BB calls with 86ss, SW has q6o and holds.

He squeezed preflop twice and showed KK both times after everyone folded. He check/called with garbage and check/raised or bet with strong hands. I can't imagine he's bluffing for his whole stack very often. He lost some hands without showdown and started this hand with ~14k and I cover.

500/100
UTG opens to 300, SW calls, other person calls, I call on button with Qc10c, both blinds call and we go 6 ways to the flop.

Flop ($1800)
10s 10h Qs
Checks to me and I bet $1k, only SW calls

Turn ($3800)
10s 10h Qs 9s
SW checks, I bet 2225, SW calls quickly

River ($8250)
10s 10h Qs 9s Ks
SW shoves before I can even see the river card, ~$10,500 to me
03-24-2010 , 12:06 PM
snap his arm off, sure he can have kt, but id say a player this bad prolly plays 9t/jt/jq /flush ina similar manner and overrrates his hand enough on the river to shove most of these combos because in his eyes all of these hands are the nuts
03-24-2010 , 12:10 PM
fwiw Js makes a straight flush yo.
03-24-2010 , 12:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nutshot2
fwiw Js makes a straight flush yo.
What he said
03-24-2010 , 12:22 PM
I don't think he's ever shoving a straight or a flush other than Js. Might very well be a fold if you're confident in your read.

This is a stove including some As combos and considering he never spazzes out

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

29 games 0.001 secs 29,000 games/sec

Board: Ts Th Qs 9s Ks
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.655% 37.93% 01.72% 11 0.50 { QcTc }
Hand 1: 60.345% 58.62% 01.72% 17 0.50 { KcKd, KcKh, KdKh, QdQh, JcJs, JdJs, JhJs, 9c9d, 9c9h, 9d9h, AsJs, KTs, QdTd, AsKc, AsKd, AsKh, AsQd, AsQh, AcJs, AdJs, AhJs, AsJc, AsJd, AsJh, KcJs, KdJs, KhJs, QdJs, QhJs }
03-24-2010 , 12:23 PM
Based on his tendencies, he would have raised QQ/KK preflop so you can discount those out, and K10 would have bet/raised the flop.
Did he have Js or As? It is a cooler if you ran into JsJx/AsJs/JsK/JsQx/Js10d/Js9x.
I guess if he had Js, he would put on some Hollywood before he shoved.
What was your stack size? Do you cover him by how much?

Last edited by CyrusJavid; 03-24-2010 at 12:25 PM. Reason: spelling
03-24-2010 , 12:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyrusJavid
Based on his tendencies, he would have raised QQ/KK preflop so you can discount those out, and K10 would have bet/raised the flop.
Did he have Js or As? It is a cooler if you ran into AsJs/JsK/JsQx/Js10d/Js9x.
I guess if he had Js, he would put on some Hollywood before he shoved.
What was your stack size? Do you cover him by how much?
He would 3bet KK preflop for sure, QQ not so sure. I had ~20k to start the hand
03-24-2010 , 12:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beats me
He would 3bet KK preflop for sure, QQ not so sure. I had ~20k to start the hand
If you can not discount QQ out of his range, then I guess I find a fold here, and preserve my stack. The structure is good, and I have a healthy stack to continue.
If I had the original stack of 30k or more, I'd call.
03-24-2010 , 01:04 PM
I cannot find a fold here and call pretty quickly. If he has it, then its just another cooler.
03-24-2010 , 01:23 PM
I call and laugh at how badly he played his Tx.
03-24-2010 , 03:49 PM
Snap call.. and sorry for the cooler
03-24-2010 , 05:24 PM
Calling but not loving it. I couldn't sleep at night if I folded this.
03-24-2010 , 11:25 PM
Call and watch him table As10d
03-25-2010 , 12:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AAismyfriend
Calling but not loving it. I couldn't sleep at night if I folded this.
this
03-25-2010 , 01:52 AM
In the actual hand I had As10c and folded the river after 30 seconds or so. He looked very comfortable and I didn't believe he'd bluff off his whole stack here. If I posted the original hand I'm pretty sure everyone would say easy fold. Ace high flush isn't much different here than a full house though especially with my blocker and reads. He fast played all of his strong but vulnerable hands (so you can discount KK probably QQ preflop and 10x on the flop) He wouldn't play 99 this way so that leaves flopped nut hands (maybe QQ, Q10) that he isn't worried about protecting. Qd10d, Qc10d, Qh10d, and say 1 of the remaining 3 combos of QQ is .3% of hands and I think he will raise the turn at least sometimes with these hands.

He mucked his cards and I felt fine about my fold. A few rounds later he raised and got no action, flipped over AA and said, "Had to show these" just as he had with KK earlier. If he can't resist showing AA and KK when he gets them then wouldn't he have shown if he had a straight flush? I think so.
03-25-2010 , 06:06 AM
i call...
03-25-2010 , 10:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beats me
In the actual hand I had As10c and folded the river after 30 seconds or so. He looked very comfortable and I didn't believe he'd bluff off his whole stack here. If I posted the original hand I'm pretty sure everyone would say easy fold. Ace high flush isn't much different here than a full house though especially with my blocker and reads. He fast played all of his strong but vulnerable hands (so you can discount KK probably QQ preflop and 10x on the flop) He wouldn't play 99 this way so that leaves flopped nut hands (maybe QQ, Q10) that he isn't worried about protecting. Qd10d, Qc10d, Qh10d, and say 1 of the remaining 3 combos of QQ is .3% of hands and I think he will raise the turn at least sometimes with these hands.

He mucked his cards and I felt fine about my fold. A few rounds later he raised and got no action, flipped over AA and said, "Had to show these" just as he had with KK earlier. If he can't resist showing AA and KK when he gets them then wouldn't he have shown if he had a straight flush? I think so.
FWIW, I disagree with your statement that AsTx = QcTc in this hand. Flopping a FH isn't played that same as rivering a A hi flush.
03-25-2010 , 11:38 AM
snap call. this guy has no clue about relative hand strength as it seems, so he is valuebetting a lot worse.
03-25-2010 , 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beachman42
FWIW, I disagree with your statement that AsTx = QcTc in this hand. Flopping a FH isn't played that same as rivering a A hi flush.
Not on every street, only the river
03-25-2010 , 01:22 PM
ya not sure why you think they are the same, the As is just a bluffcatcher on this board whereas QT beats some of his value range. pretty sure i would fold both but feel better about folding As.
03-25-2010 , 02:38 PM
fold seems good here.
03-25-2010 , 03:00 PM
i think it is closer then people are making it out to be. i'd fold prob.
03-25-2010 , 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beachman42
FWIW, I disagree with your statement that AsTx = QcTc in this hand. Flopping a FH isn't played that same as rivering a A hi flush.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pnazari
ya not sure why you think they are the same, the As is just a bluffcatcher on this board whereas QT beats some of his value range. pretty sure i would fold both but feel better about folding As.
Yeah if we don't have the A in our hand there is a decent chance he has it when he shoves this river (something like AsJx). I'd probably call with QT and almost definitely fold with the As.
03-27-2010 , 10:56 PM
no offence beats me, youo shouldnt be playing this big a buy in, fwiw, i dont think you should be playing
03-27-2010 , 11:02 PM
lolll, where did that come from?

      
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