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09-02-2007 , 01:32 AM

betgo

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$30r, 18 places pay, 11 players left. Will present in stages.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t1500/t3000
(Ante: t400)
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t80802
UTG+1: t175898
Hero: t96170
Button: t30328
SB: t76037
BB: t70032

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t3000 (pot was t6900), Hero ???

09-02-2007 , 01:44 AM

mlagoo

old fogey

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reads?

09-02-2007 , 01:55 AM

djk123

Pooh-Bah

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12k

09-02-2007 , 02:29 AM

bigballz

Pooh-Bah

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13499

09-02-2007 , 02:30 AM

shaundeeb

Augie's stunt double

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12345

09-02-2007 , 02:30 AM

betgo

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I don't think I played this hand that well, but it provides a number of interesting situations.

I actually limped behind. What do I do on the flop?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t1500/t3000
(Ante: t400)
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t80802
UTG+1: t175898
Hero: t96170
Button: t30328
SB: t76037
BB: t70032

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t3000 (pot was t6900), Hero calls t3000 (pot was t9900), Button folds, SB calls t1500 (pot was t12900), BB checks.

Flop: A

(t14400, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero ???

09-02-2007 , 02:32 AM

bigballz

Pooh-Bah

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9999

dont put anothre chip in the pot

09-02-2007 , 02:33 AM

shaundeeb

Augie's stunt double

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 16,232

with a fd I bet the flop here I just check.

Also I hate the overlimp because KQo sucks multiway without intiative.

09-02-2007 , 02:35 AM

bigballz

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

with a fd I bet the flop here I just check.

Also I hate the overlimp because KQo sucks multiway without intiative.

then someone will be the turn and ull get all [censored] confused.

just bettttttttt

09-02-2007 , 02:36 AM

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shaundeeb

Augie's stunt double

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 16,232

Quote:

with a fd I bet the flop here I just check.

Also I hate the overlimp because KQo sucks multiway without intiative.

then someone will be the turn and ull get all [censored] confused.

just bettttttttt

no I call and laugh when they show thier 3rd pair. You never get a better hand to fold on this flop so why bet nothing has more then 4 outs that won't bet and bot pair will prob call a bet on the turn when they would just fold the flop.

09-02-2007 , 02:46 AM

#11

betgo

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I checked the flop. What do I do on the turn?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t1500/t3000
(Ante: t400)
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t80802
UTG+1: t175898
Hero: t96170
Button: t30328
SB: t76037
BB: t70032

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t3000 (pot was t6900), Hero calls t3000 (pot was t9900), Button folds, SB calls t1500 (pot was t12900), BB checks.

Flop: A

(t14400, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 3

(t14400, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero ???

09-02-2007 , 02:48 AM

#12

shaundeeb

Augie's stunt double

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 16,232

7500 on turn.

09-02-2007 , 03:32 AM

#13

bigballz

Pooh-Bah

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yea super safe card theres no real reason to bet big here 1/2 pot works

09-02-2007 , 03:36 AM

#14

betgo

banned

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OK, what do I do with the checkraise?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t1500/t3000
(Ante: t400)
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t80802
UTG+1: t175898
Hero: t96170
Button: t30328
SB: t76037
BB: t70032

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t3000 (pot was t6900), Hero calls t3000 (pot was t9900), Button folds, SB calls t1500 (pot was t12900), BB checks.

Flop: A

(t14400, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 3

(t14400, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t6000, SB raises to t21000, 2 folds, Hero ???

09-02-2007 , 03:41 AM

#15

nath

the second coming of the second coming

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 68,987

Quote:

7500 on turn.

And I make it 11625 preflop, but that's just me. That's just something I enjoy.

09-02-2007 , 03:48 AM

#16

nath

the second coming of the second coming

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 68,987

Oh, and after the check-raise, I don't know. I usually call because I think people who do this are full of [censored] all the time and trying to take away the pot. And then I call river sometimes and fold sometimes.

09-02-2007 , 03:53 AM

#17

betgo

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I called. My bet looked like a steal, so I was half expecting a bluff checkraise. What do I do on the interesting river?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t1500/t3000
(Ante: t400)
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t80802
UTG+1: t175898
Hero: t96170
Button: t30328
SB: t76037
BB: t70032

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t3000 (pot was t6900), Hero calls t3000 (pot was t9900), Button folds, SB calls t1500 (pot was t12900), BB checks.

Flop: A

(t14400, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 3

(t14400, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t6000, SB raises to t21000, 2 folds, Hero calls t15000 (pot was t41400).

River: Q

(t56400, 2 players)
SB bets t21000, <font color="#cc0000">Hero ???

09-02-2007 , 03:57 AM

#18

nath

the second coming of the second coming

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 68,987

Jesus [censored] Christ

I have no idea what to do, and I think all our options are potentially awesome

09-02-2007 , 08:28 AM

#19

betgo

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Jesus [censored] Christ

I have no idea what to do, and I think all our options are potentially awesome

Yeh, push or flat call the river?

09-02-2007 , 09:19 AM

#20

AragornX151

adept

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While his river bet sizing could certainly be construed as a blocking bet, it also could be a suck bet, and a flush draw is a reasonable holding. I don't see what worse hands call your river shove after you called the turn c/r and the only conceivable draw hit the river, so I'd just call the river bet.

09-02-2007 , 09:30 AM

#21

Eagles

Carpal \'Tunnel

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River is probably a fold....

09-02-2007 , 09:54 AM

#22

betgo

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Quote:

River is probably a fold....

You fold 2-pair getting 3.6-1? Isn't this a double barrel bluff or blocking bet often enough?

09-02-2007 , 10:03 AM

#23

AragornX151

adept

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Yeah, I'd have to have a real read to fold the river with those odds.

09-02-2007 , 11:08 AM

#24

shaundeeb

Augie's stunt double

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heh before you posted river I was going to say shove any heart since you have Kh in hand but rivering 2 pair I just like calling.

His bet could be a blocking bet but when you shove he folds most things worse.

09-02-2007 , 12:13 PM

#25

bigballz

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

yah flat call

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