Tehan won 2 major tournaments. If he was dumping chips because he sold 500% of himself, he is still in trouble like in "The Producers". There must be strengths to his game.

Buddy, you can call me the luckiest guy in the world if you'd like to, but like they say, money is just a way of keeping score in poker. So when you earn $4M in tourneys with less than $500k worth of buyins, then come talk to me... Or better yet, come play with me. I rarely get very upset with but get a clue before you just start typing random things. Have a great Sunday pal!

I'm pretty sure Jerry Yang has a better ROI than you do.

There's **** tons of variance in poker, and SOMEONE has to be the luckiest guy in the world. Every hand I see that you play is just so objectively and inexcusably terrible ... and then in your interview you just admit that you are clicking buttons? How am I supposed to react?

Nah, you don't have a statistically significant sample for tourneys. And like I said above, you had a 200% ROI with your aggressive style in the WPT you won back in 2006. Money isn't an accurate way of keeping score when it comes to skills.

The game is much tougher now, and you are clearly -EV in a lot of tougher tourneys, such as WPTs, and this Epic Poker (while w/ freeroll might be close to breakeven idk)

You obviously are a winning player in the main event..../soft tourneys/which is pretty much any tourney w/ under a 1k buyin live.....and some of the bigger fields WSOPS.

I'm a lot better player than you, so is PGHFan. I've played with you live, and thought you played terribly then, too. Just overaggressive spewtard.

I'm sure if you want to crossbook people in tournaments you'd have people lining up after your performance just now. And I'm sure if you just want to keep playing tournaments, everyone lucky enough to have you at the table will be happy.

The fact you come across as arrogant on the forums while still charging markup and being so clearly an idiot/clueless/gambling degen while playing disgusts me. HU4ROLLZ? I'll play you hu any stakes NL/PLO. And I'm sure if you wanted to crossbook live tourneys people would be lining up to bet on me, or even PGHfan after this.

Enjoy the money. My best advice to you is to quit poker and never play another hand except for maybe the WSOP Main Event/ <1k buyins.

You won't though, you're a degen. Hope to see you at WSOP.

Just take your unjust arrogance somewhere else. You're playing for one of the biggest first prizes of the year in poker, and you don't even know how many big blinds someone shoved or the odds you were getting and just randomly gamble/made a terrible call off with A7os. Its disrespectful to the game. You disgust me.

If you were a business man gambling and didn't give a **** i'd say keep gamblin playa never say a word go you gamble on! You don't have a clue though, but talk ****. Sad. Really feel bad for whoever invested you in a WPT at 1.2....that was a nice money burn.

You have a better ROI than Jerry Yang though probably.

I had a losing year in 2011, broke, grind it out lowstakes live cash to support myself and my miserable life while borrowing some money to get by from my rich friends who think I'm going to win one day....while this idiot binks off for hundreds of thousands no problem.

Disgusting. I had a debate with my dad the other day how its disgusting how in my line of work the amount of work/effort you put in/your skill isn't correlated to how much money you make....or not correlated enough.

He said same in any job. You think baseball players deserve to make millions?

I explained to him that the best baseball players generally make the most money and they are doing a harder job/or something harder to get to the best/top at than poker because more people are trying to do it....

then he said stuff about some less talented doctors making money...but i said its not as big of variance as poker, and i was right/he conceded the argument....

Disgusting that this guy is my "peer"
Disgusting that he is an "epic poker player"
Disgusting
Disgusting
Disgusting

When will there be justice in the world?

I don't mind being the luckiest guy in the world if that's the case. My K6hh hand has somewhere around 35-40% equity against Grinder's shoving range, and if chewy over calls then there's a very good chance I earn $130k in real money by knocking out an opponent. If I call and lose I'd still have plenty of chips to maneuver (and still more than Grinder). You sound like a great player and I'm sure you'll have a chance to take a 40% gamble to earn $130k one day... And I suggest you take that risk.

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+1 I which there were like buttons on some of these posts

Sorry to upset you Jew. Best of luck with poker in the future.

Your understanding of cEV/$EV "taking a gamble to busting someone" blows my mind. You have no idea what your doing and your logic is terribly flawed, I promise you that. But, we knew that after you shoved 42o. We knew that after hearing you talk about calling.

Chewy can raise/call/bluff you post flop (he has position)
You aren't getting pot odds to gamble with your percieved equity even though I'm 100% positive you're making that up and haven't run a pokerstove calculation/have a clue.

There will be another hand after this one where you might have a +EV opportunity to knock someone out and earn 130k. Maybe someone else will knock him out and you'll earn 130k!

I doubt you'll ever knock a player out and earn 130k ever again though....thats pretty damn unlikely given how terrible you are....but gl w/ that. Epic Poker fields are your best shot.

Thanks man, I appreciate it if you are sincere. I hope you don't take me insulting your play personally, you seem like a great guy and I'm sure you are an awesome person. You just suck at poker, really really bad.

+1. I bet you're really cool to have a beer with. But the same thing could have been said about George W. Bush. Or Ulysses S. Grant.

I'm sure you're right Jew... That's why I don't play too many tourneys each year. I'm just trying to avoid going broke for now.

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Good strategy. Just stop selling at markup to highstakes MTTs and you'll be a cool dude in my book. You actually seem to realize you "are just tossing chips around". So you don't seem that delusional, just bad. (Although you are arrogant at times on forums, but everyone is I guess)

Hate to sound arrogant and I'm sure you won't be buying many pieces of me in the future.

How much do chess masters make?

About 5.5 mirrion...

Bahahaha,

Why would he stop selling packages if there is a market for his action??? Soley for certain tourney snobs' approval?!?!?! Obv enough people are willing to pay the MU so more power to him, what's he suppose to do pass up free money?

This thread has degenerated into unwarranted personal attacks and has gotten ridiculous. People calling Joe a scammer, stupid, degenerate, delusional etc. even when he came on here and said he wasn't here to defend the play, made a mistake and that the level of the buy in doesn't equate to a comparable skill level. Joe comes off relatively humble in this thread and on the coverage I've seen, even admitting he is bad/lucky; to call such a person arrogant is asinine.

Bearjew, if if you think he's that bad then why are you tapping the glass, telling him to never play poker again etc.??? Isn't that a suboptimal -EV move on your part? Although your analysis is sound and your posts are admired by many including myslef, your anger and frustration in this thread bleeds through my screen as I read it; I for one really hope you bink something very large very soon, I think it would lift some fo the jade off you and protect innocents from your venom. In live poker the sample size will never be big enough, ever, and until they come up with an equity chop button in AI scenarios luckboxes will continue to win massive amounts of money with -EV plays, to expect otherwise is delusional.

Very well put IMO

Selling a package solely because there is a market for your action if you yourself don't beleive yourself to be +EV is scummy. I don't care what you think JCHAK. He's stealing from my community and I have gone on rants about this before and still think I'm right.

Sure you can snip pieces in and out and bold w/e you want to make yourself sound like he's not arrogant. He posted his winnings and buyins in this thread saying come at me bro basically.

When he can't even be bothered to know how many BBs he's calling shoves for at the FT/odds he's getting and he's just gambling with the outright logical fallacy of "taking a 40% shot at taking a gamble of knocking someone out"

While trying to sell himself as a good investment...selling at 1.2/1.3 markup...then yes i have a problem with that.....

Also, how can you read this post ? And say he's not arrogant?

Honestly, w/e bold w/e humble thing he says....but he's still an idiot and I stand by everything I said ITT because I'm right for one thing and its what I believe for another!

I think Mr. Rogers would come a little harder than this^ after the flaming he took earlier in the thread.

That's fine, I don't think anyone, including Joe, is arguing with you on the technical aspects of your reasonings; its not the analysis, just the tone that's superfluous. W/e, like I said, hope you bink big, GL.

"Would you rather be underpaid or overrated?"

EVERYONE CALM THE FK DOWN

Agreed. Come on people. I don't know where this went from actually talking about the hand (which I don't really like Joe's play here either) to attacking the guy. Joe is easily one of the nicest guys I've met in all my years around the poker scene and although I too don't like his play, I'm real happy he made a nice score.

-ActionBob

No variance in live mtts