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Old 06-23-2010, 06:28 PM   #1
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Interesting spot in WSOP 1.5k - I think I saw opponents hand

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UTG (idiot Czech player) opens to 250 at 50 100. Folds to me in BB with AKo (no club). Both have 4500 effective (starting stacks). I call.

Flop comes 4 10 J ccc. I check. As my opponent looks at his hand again, I'm 80% sure I see the cards - Kd Qc (obv not purposely looking but he flashes them too high and near his chips). He bets 450. I call. Turn is 7 s. I check and he ships. Do you call in this spot? Is this just basically a math question or are there underlying aspects that make it closer? And, remember, I'm only 80% sure I saw his hand. I do know there was only one club in his hand for certain. Also remember you are going to have to show your hand cause both players are all in on the turn. Does this change anyone's mind at all?
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Old 06-23-2010, 06:30 PM   #2
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Re: Interesting spot in WSOP 1.5k - I think I saw opponents hand

SO you cheated and saw his hand and yet don't want to take advantage of it. His hand seems pretty consistent w/ kq w/ club and your favorite w/ one card to come so call.
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Old 06-23-2010, 06:35 PM   #3
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Re: Interesting spot in WSOP 1.5k - I think I saw opponents hand

Clearly not cheating. Couldn't help but see his cards from my angle. Am I supposed to look away once I check?
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Old 06-23-2010, 06:43 PM   #4
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Re: Interesting spot in WSOP 1.5k - I think I saw opponents hand

the lines blurred on this one...if you moved your eyes to look at his cards...not cheating.

If you moved your neck at all to get a better look subconsciously or consciously then cheating. Still his job to protect his cards though. Crap tornado warning...gotta hide.
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Old 06-23-2010, 06:58 PM   #5
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Re: Interesting spot in WSOP 1.5k - I think I saw opponents hand

weird
knowing he has KQ and only 1 card to come, yah u gotta call
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:01 PM   #6
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Re: Interesting spot in WSOP 1.5k - I think I saw opponents hand

If you saw his hand was QK pre and you had AK why in the world wouldnt you 3bet
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:04 PM   #7
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Re: Interesting spot in WSOP 1.5k - I think I saw opponents hand

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If you saw his hand was QK pre and you had AK why in the world wouldnt you 3bet
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Flop comes 4 10 J ccc. I check. As my opponent looks at his hand again, I'm 80% sure I see the cards - Kd Qc
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:07 PM   #8
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Better question is, why not just open shove turn if u know his hand? That way u dont look stupid when u call off with nuttin.
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:40 PM   #9
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Stringer, that is the best advice I've heard. Although, like I said, there is a 20% chance that I was mistaken and he snaps me off with KK with K of clubs (and I look like a moron in the process). But, to be honest, I doubt he folds if I just open shove turn. He just sticks it in with his draw and prays...So, if I don't think he is ever folding, does it matter?
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:57 PM   #10
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Better question is, why not just open shove turn if u know his hand? That way u dont look stupid when u call off with nuttin.
because u want to win chips, not just "omg i goes all in i haz teh bestest hand"
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Old 06-23-2010, 09:05 PM   #11
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put him all in
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Old 06-23-2010, 10:13 PM   #12
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If you saw his hand was QK pre and you had AK why in the world wouldnt you 3bet
I assume anyone half decent will fold KQ to a 3bet here.
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Old 06-23-2010, 10:20 PM   #13
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I'm 80% sure I see the cards
squint yo!
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Old 06-23-2010, 10:24 PM   #14
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Re: Interesting spot in WSOP 1.5k - I think I saw opponents hand

Call?
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Old 06-23-2010, 11:20 PM   #15
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Re: Interesting spot in WSOP 1.5k - I think I saw opponents hand

It's a math question, but even with KQ, 1 club, he has 18 outs on the flop, making him a sizable favorite on the flop, and still 40% on the turn. You can just c/f this flop against this player even if you're 100% sure he has KcQx (since you have absolutely no fold equ and are out of position). The fact that you're only 80% sure, makes it a schminsta-fold.

Edit: check that he has 17 outs, so perhaps you can call the turn having > 60% equity, if youre very sure he has KcQx.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:07 AM   #16
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tank and stare at him for a while and then call confidently acting like you picked up some tell on him which will scare the carp out of the other players from bluffing u later
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:30 AM   #17
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do what he said ^^
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Old 06-24-2010, 03:49 AM   #18
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tank and stare at him for a while and then call confidently acting like you picked up some tell on him which will scare the carp out of the other players from bluffing u later
Idk about you, but I want to encourage people to bluff me as much as possible. How else will you win sizable pots with one pair hands :-/
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:54 AM   #19
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Re: Interesting spot in WSOP 1.5k - I think I saw opponents hand

was that Martin Karbrhel btw? pretty lol spot against him, I would call
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