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Old 04-24-2012, 08:07 PM   #201
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It's definitely showing a profit, by minraising youre very vulnerable to get exploited by both blinds, whereas by shoving neither of them can call you light, bigstack wants to maintain stacksize statusquo, shortstack calling and losing is a huge icm problem
Whether you get exploited by the blinds is a function of your opening range. Being able to fold when it goes rejam, cold 4 is worth a ton.
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:11 PM   #202
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

Also, with those specific stacks, I usually just go into ubernit mode until something changes.
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:17 PM   #203
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

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Whether you get exploited by the blinds is a function of your opening range. Being able to fold when it goes rejam, cold 4 is worth a ton.
Thats a very rare scenario and an overall preflop strategy where you have a somewhat wide opening range , small openshoving range and normal r/calling range than just having a smaller opening range containing all hands you can't raise/call, openshoving 44 here doesnt hurt your r/calling or r/folding at all
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:20 PM   #204
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Thats a very rare scenario and an overall preflop strategy where you have a somewhat wide opening range , small openshoving range and normal r/calling range than just having a smaller opening range containing all hands you can't raise/call, openshoving 44 here doesnt hurt your r/calling or r/folding at all
It is a rare scenario, but it has a huge payoff. What do you consider a somewhat wide opening range?
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:25 PM   #205
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

Start by our raise/calling range and find a raise/folding range which the r/c range protects enough against their perceived resteal ranges
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:39 PM   #206
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

Like say you have a 8% range you can raise/call and blinds are aggresive so that you can raise/fold 12% making your overall opening range 20%. There is a part of a range of all hands like 22-55/A3s/A5o that you cant raise/call, but you can openjam them profitably and if they are in the 12% you want to raise/fold you can easily replace them by similar hands you'd be openfolding, because their postflop value isnt great to begin with, so having a 8% range you raise/call, 12% range you raise/fold and 3% range you openjam is a better overall strategy
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:45 PM   #207
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h1 I would definitely squeeze but would study villain 1's reaction to the flat. Would probably make it 9900 ish but not sure what sizings you had been using ip/oop.

Not sure if v2 is super laggy vs 3-bets as well but your 3b would look super strong so I can't really see him being too thrilled about calling with his suited connectors or w/e. Think you can take down most dry boards as well very very frequently.

h2 seems like a really close spot with your reasonably strong read. This is live so is a range of TT/AQ intending to get it in vs the 70k too wide? Too tight? Not really sure. I might fold TT and go with JJ/AK but can't really fault a shove here especially since your read could be off.
TY, agree with all your comments basically...I flatted Hand 1 but I think 3bet/fold is much better. And I very unhappily jammed the TT and ran into QQ. I think I should fold and JJ+ AK is correct
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:29 AM   #208
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2-3 tables left in Sunday 109c turbo. Villain is a really good HS regular. Am I being results oriented that he was crushing me or do you think the situation tightens his range enough?


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MP1: t188638 M = 4.23
MP2: t171980 M = 3.85
CO: t275274 M = 6.17
BTN: t531501 M = 11.91
SB: t324172 M = 7.26
Hero (BB): t361588 M = 8.10
UTG: t697279 M = 15.63
UTG+1: t87660 M = 1.96
UTG+2: t74957 M = 1.68

Pre Flop: (t44625) Hero is BB with Q K
3 folds, MP1 raises to t186513 all in, 4 folds, Hero calls t169513
bumping this std spot!
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Old 05-13-2012, 09:24 PM   #209
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

Villain and I have pretty aggressive n-betting history generally. I've been relatively calm at this table but 3-bet him from the button with 73s early and it got shown down. Only other 3-bet vs him, he flatted with 9To and got it in on 923ss against my jacks for around 50 bigs.

Is 4 to 6 standard here with my image or should I flat the 3-bet?


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    prink11 (MP1): 63,778 (159.4 bb)
    ch0ppy (MP2): 18,641 (46.6 bb)
    puicachamp (MP3): 9,585 (24 bb)
    Se7enTr3y (CO): 39,471 (98.7 bb)
    Roothlus (BTN): 9,386 (23.5 bb)
    Inf3rnal (SB): 17,831 (44.6 bb)
    cuffme (BB): 14,501 (36.3 bb)
    Hero (UTG+1): 61,380 (153.5 bb)
    jadedjason (UTG+2): 8,995 (22.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A K
    Hero raises to 800, 4 folds, Se7enTr3y raises to 1,975, 3 folds, Hero raises to 5,525, Se7enTr3y raises to 9,475, Hero raises to 61,330 and is all-in




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    Old 05-13-2012, 09:26 PM   #210
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    Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

    I haven't seen villain around for a while. 3-bet him once prior to this and he folded pre. Is river standard or too thin? If it's too thin, what is our alternative line? x/f? Block bet/fold? Induce?



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      prink11 (UTG+1): 71,203 (178 bb)
      ch0ppy (UTG+2): 20,391 (51 bb)
      puicachamp (MP1): 9,485 (23.7 bb)
      Se7enTr3y (MP2): 33,056 (82.6 bb)
      Roothlus (MP3): 9,686 (24.2 bb)
      Inf3rnal (CO): 30,101 (75.3 bb)
      cuffme (BTN): 14,696 (36.7 bb)
      Hero (SB): 45,005 (112.5 bb)
      jadedjason (BB): 9,945 (24.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q A
      5 folds, Inf3rnal raises to 800, cuffme folds, Hero raises to 2,600, jadedjason folds, Inf3rnal calls 1,800

      Flop: (6,050) 8 5 A (2 players)
      Hero bets 2,450, Inf3rnal calls 2,450

      Turn: (10,950) J (2 players)
      Hero bets 5,575, Inf3rnal calls 5,575

      River: (22,100) 6 (2 players)
      Hero bets 34,330 and is all-in



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      Old 05-14-2012, 07:13 AM   #211
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      Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

      AQo - I think I'd check the turn, AJ got there, sizing pre is strong and flop is dry, if he calls flop wide its usually hands that fold the turn or have you beat, as played no idea what to do, think I'd shove in realtime, but dont like it, dont like any option tbh
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      Old 05-14-2012, 02:40 PM   #212
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      Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

      Guy is a Brazilian I don't recognize, I've been 3-betting lots. He has not four-bet yet. At what 3-bet% would you 4-bet to get this in?


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        RoyalSalute (BTN): 4,842 (161.4 bb)
        Hero (SB): 6,826 (227.5 bb)
        iacog4 (BB): 3,075 (102.5 bb)
        Cejakas14 (CO): 5,217 (173.9 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 9
        Cejakas14 folds, RoyalSalute raises to 85, Hero raises to 321, iacog4 folds, RoyalSalute raises to 735




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        Old 05-14-2012, 03:35 PM   #213
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        Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

        Given the question above, I guess this is standard. Still checking: this is one hour into scoop 23-M 4-max, I've been fairly active, 4-betting a few times and 3-betting a bunch. Villain seems to be a reg, no history though. Should I consider calling the 3-bet or is there no aternative to 4-bet / jamming? I'd guess my 6-bet-jamming range could be like something like TT+,AK,AQs.

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          CO: 4,210 (105.3 bb)
          Hero (BTN): 7,007 (175.2 bb)
          SB: 9,928 (248.2 bb)
          BB: 4,500 (112.5 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BTN with T T
          CO folds, Hero raises to 80, SB folds, BB raises to 240, Hero raises to 540, BB raises to 1,040, Hero raises to 7,007 and is all-in




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          Old 05-14-2012, 06:14 PM   #214
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          High SCOOP mixed PLO/NLHE, I just doubled previous hand 22>A7 after guy bumped and I jammed for 7.5BB's CO vs HJ.

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          SB ($15,012)
          BB ($17,131)
          UTG ($13,011)
          UTG+1 ($37,574)
          UTG+2 ($25,948)
          MP1 ($31,403)
          Hero ($7,010)
          CO ($18,672)
          BTN ($19,750)

          Dealt to Hero J K

          fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $800, fold, fold

          BTN wins $1,450
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          Old 05-14-2012, 09:03 PM   #215
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          Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

          Can't even edit that post now.
          Sorry, obv question is folded to hero on HJ 17BB's, do we ship KJo, everybody covers.
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          Old 05-15-2012, 04:13 PM   #216
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          Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

          Jean, I'd just flat. Pretty big difference between a HJ raise facing a BB 3-bet IP and a SB vs BU facing a 4-bet OOP.
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          Old 05-15-2012, 05:43 PM   #217
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          Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

          agree with flatting the TT, much more inclined to let the hand play out over multiple streets when we are IP vs OOP
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          Old 05-16-2012, 12:01 PM   #218
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          Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

          Yeah, I understand I'm IP and thus inclined to play more postflop. But given that my OOP opponent is going to n-bet more and thus "stack off lighter", as NSB is willing to do in the converse situation, wouldn't that give me more incentive to "stack off for value" compared to NSB whose opponent is going to have this "I'm IP so I don't n-bet so much and instead call more" thinking? In other words, shouldn't we not take this IP thingy too far?

          More prosaically, what's a better stack off range for me here, AK,JJ+?

          Having a shot at Marwan's: just minraise and play poker?
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          Old 05-16-2012, 11:59 PM   #219
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          Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

          merge high roller. villain is a 25/10 fish with 19% AF. Anyone like a check better than b/f on turn?

          if you fold here are you folding qk and aq as well?


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          SB: t20661.00 M = 14.97
          BB: t17304.00 M = 12.54
          Hero (UTG): t17926.00 M = 12.99
          UTG+1: t44929.00 M = 32.56
          MP1: t8380.00 M = 6.07
          MP2: t32606.00 M = 23.63
          CO: t27092.00 M = 19.63
          BTN: t29548.00 M = 21.41

          Pre Flop: (t1380) Hero is UTG with Q J
          Hero raises to t1200.00, 4 folds, BTN calls t1200, 2 folds

          Flop: (t3780) 4 Q 7 (2 players)
          Hero bets t1999.00, BTN calls t1999

          Turn: (t7778) 5 (2 players)
          Hero bets t3999.00, BTN raises to t15487.00, Hero folds
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          Old 05-18-2012, 02:03 PM   #220
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          Villain is Thayer, he's solid and good at pokers. We're getting kinda close to the bubble so he's probably opening a bit wider than usual. Standard after flatting pre? Fold river?



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            THAY3R (SB): 33,103 (33.1 bb)
            Hero (BB): 22,900 (22.9 bb)
            titón (MP): 87,827 (87.8 bb)
            firmston (CO): 870 (0.9 bb)
            dadowiec (BTN): 12,971 (13 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with T 9
            3 folds, THAY3R raises to 2,200, Hero calls 1,200

            Flop: (5,400) 9 A 8 (2 players)
            THAY3R bets 2,000, Hero calls 2,000

            Turn: (9,400) T (2 players)
            THAY3R bets 3,000, Hero calls 3,000

            River: (15,400) Q (2 players)
            THAY3R bets 4,000, Hero calls 4,000




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            Most people are saying fold river here. Is this correct in general against a good player or is this only because of Thayers somewhat well known nittiness and we play differently against most opponents?
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            Old 05-18-2012, 02:30 PM   #221
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            I am really sure I don't like it.
            Its a c/f on river then given his two calls on flop and turn and his likely range including any ace and a few boats.

            Can we ever c/c river? I can't really think of a spot where we are good here often. Dont think lucsac would turn 55 into a bluff here or anything likethat.
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            Old 05-18-2012, 02:46 PM   #222
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            WSOPc St. Louis, event 1 355 NLHE

            Stone money bubble 54 pay 55 left.

            Hero is small blind with ~26BBs
            Villian is a late thirties early 40s lady, has the look of a mom/soccer mom. She moves to our table 3 orbits prior on the last break and has consistently talked about how this is her first tournament and she really, really hopes she can make the money.

            Its 1.5k/3k she opens the button for 9600, her first open. She has 21 BBs total maybe like 18 or 19, hard to remember (pox on me for not writing it down). You have AJdd in the small blind.

            Are people just folidng here, or shoving, or flatting etc. What I am really looking for here is how our knowledge of her affects what we should do in this spot, compared to what we do in a no reads situation.

            For instance on the direct bubble with no reads, I think we should be restealing AJs fairly often here with our stack sizes, but I can see folding too if our villian has been tight. Does this make us more or less likely to shove here since she is probably opening tight, but is probably folding a lot too?

            (If the AJs resteal is awful either way, let me know)
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            Old 05-18-2012, 02:55 PM   #223
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            Cram, she folds a lot of hands with lots of equity and there's a chance she folds better.
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            Old 05-19-2012, 06:43 AM   #224
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            UTG is a good reg and utg+2 as well. Utg+2 = a 15/12 over 460 hands. He prolly has tight stats on me.

            I think he will 3b/call AK/AQ vs utg wich makes his range quite strong. Dunno about JJ/TT tho. I'm about BE vs JJ+ (need 40%, have that vs JJ+). Crycall of crymuck?

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              Hero (BTN): 28,194 (40.3 bb)
              SB: 4,570 (6.5 bb)
              BB: 6,139 (8.8 bb)
              UTG+1: 14,244 (20.3 bb)
              UTG+2: 27,558 (39.4 bb)
              MP1: 23,185 (33.1 bb)
              MP2: 30,342 (43.3 bb)
              MP3: 24,385 (34.8 bb)
              CO: 11,832 (16.9 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
              UTG+1 raises to 1,400, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 1,400, 3 folds, Hero raises to 3,325, 3 folds, MP1 raises to 23,100 and is all-in, Hero?
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              Old 05-19-2012, 06:08 PM   #225
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              Final table of $215 turbo, 6 left I'm shortest...is everyone calling here?

              SB is unkown to me, hasn't gotten involved in any hands where he didn't "have it."


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              MP: 186,381 (18.6 bb)
              CO: 133,860 (13.4 bb)
              BTN: 102,027 (10.2 bb)
              SB: 250,328 (25 bb)
              Hero (BB): 76,298 (7.6 bb)
              UTG: 187,106 (18.7 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BB with K 6
              4 folds, SB raises to 130,000, Hero
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