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Old 10-08-2012, 09:20 AM   #301
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

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Old 10-11-2012, 09:05 AM   #302
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

if the guy his 3bet range is QQ+, its a v.good fold. ;-)..
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:53 AM   #303
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

This hand happened on stars.fr in sunday special. both players are random french players. If 3 better was solid player it super easy shove, but against passive french guy i am not so sure. In game i ended up shoving. But if i think about his small 3 betting range, i am not super happy when i shove. Would you ever fold this in game guys?

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UTG+1: t109729 M = 5.23
UTG+2: t470035 M = 22.38
MP1: t164806 M = 7.85
MP2: t555373 M = 26.45
CO: t228388 M = 10.88
BTN: t582060 M = 27.72
SB: t933604 M = 44.46
Hero (BB): t202429 M = 9.64
UTG: t184456 M = 8.78

Pre Flop: (t21000) Hero is BB with J J
3 folds, MP1 raises to t16000, MP2 raises to t36000, 3 folds, Hero ???
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:22 PM   #304
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Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

how passive is passive ? still looks like a shove , you dont srsly expect him to make it more or worse w TT , dont you ?
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:30 AM   #305
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    Poker Stars, $250 Buy-in (50/100 blinds, 10 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
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    Hero (BTN): 5,270 (52.7 bb)
    SB: 5,130 (51.3 bb)
    BB: 1,618 (16.2 bb)
    UTG+2: 3,843 (38.4 bb)
    MP1: 7,355 (73.6 bb)
    MP2: 3,420 (34.2 bb)
    MP3: 8,140 (81.4 bb)
    CO: 3,742 (37.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
    4 folds, CO raises to 200, Hero raises to 450, SB raises to 5,120 and is all-in, 2 folds



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    Old 10-24-2012, 03:25 PM   #306
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    ^fold.
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    Old 10-26-2012, 02:38 PM   #307
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    It's a KO and you cover him. He wants you to call imo.

    Edit: I mean, he'll think you're more likely to call when he makes it obvious there is a bounty up for grabs.
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    Old 10-26-2012, 02:50 PM   #308
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    Yeah trivial fold without read that the guy is an aggrospew
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    Old 10-29-2012, 12:42 AM   #309
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    Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

    My 2 cents
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    I had a dilema we where 3 handed , in torney of 84 people. I open from button whit A-Q off 10K the small blind raises to 35K (the guy never raises me preflop ) we had 20bb araund 100K each one. In the end I fold my A-Q but I think is very bad decision in a 3 handed situation whit only 20bb. what do you think?
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    This hand happened on stars.fr in sunday special. both players are random french players. If 3 better was solid player it super easy shove, but against passive french guy i am not so sure. In game i ended up shoving. But if i think about his small 3 betting range, i am not super happy when i shove. Would you ever fold this in game guys?

    Poker Stars €91+€9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t4000/t8000 Blinds + t1000 - 9 players
    DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

    UTG+1: t109729 M = 5.23
    UTG+2: t470035 M = 22.38
    MP1: t164806 M = 7.85
    MP2: t555373 M = 26.45
    CO: t228388 M = 10.88
    BTN: t582060 M = 27.72
    SB: t933604 M = 44.46
    Hero (BB): t202429 M = 9.64
    UTG: t184456 M = 8.78

    Pre Flop: (t21000) Hero is BB with J J
    3 folds, MP1 raises to t16000, MP2 raises to t36000, 3 folds, Hero ???
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      Hero (BTN): 5,270 (52.7 bb)
      SB: 5,130 (51.3 bb)
      BB: 1,618 (16.2 bb)
      UTG+2: 3,843 (38.4 bb)
      MP1: 7,355 (73.6 bb)
      MP2: 3,420 (34.2 bb)
      MP3: 8,140 (81.4 bb)
      CO: 3,742 (37.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
      4 folds, CO raises to 200, Hero raises to 450, SB raises to 5,120 and is all-in, 2 folds



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      From the 265 KO. No dynamics really.
      fold
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      Old 11-01-2012, 04:03 AM   #310
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      Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

      @shaniac fold, but Super snap AK. I'd call TT+ AK I think. I think his most likely hand is AK.
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      Old 12-14-2012, 03:55 PM   #311
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      bump for this quick hand

      PokerStars Hand #90752018667: Tournament #660010505, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2012/12/14 15:46:18 ART [2012/12/14 13:46:18 ET]
      Table '660010505 22' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
      Seat 1: Xandre6108X (18811 in chips)
      Seat 2: MAMOHT_T (5905 in chips)
      Seat 3: LlKE A G6 (7546 in chips)
      Seat 4: Poeira4 (11048 in chips)
      Seat 5: Wallentin72 (23355 in chips)
      Seat 7: leitalopez (6020 in chips)
      Seat 8: Alchemist173 (12386 in chips)
      Seat 9: DMS75 (6385 in chips)
      Xandre6108X: posts the ante 20
      MAMOHT_T: posts the ante 20
      LlKE A G6: posts the ante 20
      Poeira4: posts the ante 20
      Wallentin72: posts the ante 20
      leitalopez: posts the ante 20
      Alchemist173: posts the ante 20
      DMS75: posts the ante 20
      Xandre6108X: posts small blind 100
      MAMOHT_T: posts big blind 200
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to leitalopez [Kh Jc]
      LlKE A G6: folds
      Poeira4: folds
      Wallentin72: raises 200 to 400
      leitalopez: raises 485 to 885
      Alchemist173: folds
      DMS75: folds
      Xandre6108X: folds
      MAMOHT_T: folds
      Wallentin72: calls 485
      *** FLOP *** [Kd 6h Qs]
      Wallentin72: checks
      leitalopez: bets 905
      Wallentin72: calls 905
      *** TURN *** [Kd 6h Qs] [6d]
      Wallentin72: checks
      leitalopez: bets 1455
      Wallentin72: calls 1455
      *** RIVER *** [Kd 6h Qs 6d] [Qh]
      Wallentin72: checks
      leitalopez: bets 2755 and is all-in
      Wallentin72: calls 2755
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      leitalopez: shows [Kh Jc] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
      Wallentin72: shows [Qc Th] (a full house, Queens full of Sixes)
      Wallentin72 collected 12460 from pot
      leitalopez finished the tournament in 146th place
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 12460 | Rake 0
      Board [Kd 6h Qs 6d Qh]
      Seat 1: Xandre6108X (small blind) folded before Flop
      Seat 2: MAMOHT_T (big blind) folded before Flop
      Seat 3: LlKE A G6 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 4: Poeira4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 5: Wallentin72 showed [Qc Th] and won (12460) with a full house, Queens full of Sixes
      Seat 7: leitalopez showed [Kh Jc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
      Seat 8: Alchemist173 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 9: DMS75 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

      villain is a fish, high vpip, clasic 109r fish
      just curious iif someone play it diferent?
      i shove river cause i think i get value from worse kings and fish usually donk river when they hit the Q in this spot.. someone can add something or it was just bad luck?
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      Old 12-14-2012, 07:13 PM   #312
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      Re: ***HSMTT QUICK CHECKUP THREAD***

      too thin, some fish donk with qx but many will check, he can have some 6x, lots of qx, kq (66 and discounted QQ are like 1.5 combos or w/e also), and pretty few worse kx in comparison. expect to see ak non zero too.. and he calls 6x/qx like everytime but kt- only sometimes etc.
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      Old 12-14-2012, 07:21 PM   #313
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      hi thanks for the answer, i think its very difficult for him to show with qk as played on this spot, ofc not even close to imposibble but still think a fish prolly dont play qk this way. agree that he can have some 6x and many Qx in his range.. so you check back river i guess? bet turn for value for sure, right?
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      Old 12-14-2012, 09:09 PM   #314
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      What street does he play differently? Sure maybe he raises flop some of the time but other streets I think a fish usually plays the same... Yes I'd check river as played, and turn is close (largely because you chop with Kx) but probably fine since he will likely/often peel Qx again and you are rarely beat
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      Old 12-16-2012, 07:01 PM   #315
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      standardish reg, not overly aggro. Considered hero'ing because of how dumb the line is?

        Poker Stars, $150 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15014771

        Hero (MP): 5,090 (169.7 bb)
        CO: 4,985 (166.2 bb)
        BTN: 4,955 (165.2 bb)
        SB: 4,970 (165.7 bb)
        BB: 5,000 (166.7 bb)
        UTG: 5,000 (166.7 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP with A K
        UTG folds, Hero raises to 90, 3 folds, BB raises to 300, Hero calls 210

        Flop: (615) 6 A Q (2 players)
        BB bets 330, Hero calls 330

        Turn: (1,275) 3 (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets 660, BB raises to 4,370 and is all-in, Hero folds

        Results: 2,595 pot
        Final Board: 6 A Q 3
        Hero mucked A K and lost (-1,290 net)
        BB mucked and won 2,595 (1,305 net)



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        Old 12-16-2012, 10:53 PM   #316
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        snapfold and thank him..
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        Old 12-19-2012, 05:00 PM   #317
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        this is a 50r turbo, final table but only 6 paid. something like $2.3k for 1st, $360 for 6th.

        villain is a very good 2p2er. he's been pretty tight so far but getting gradually more aggro as we get closer to the bubble.

        BB is a giant nit.

        my image is taggy i guess.

        i know i only have 10 bb's but i'm still 3/8. do i care about the other shorties or not?


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        BTN: 17,270 (8.6 bb)
        Hero (SB): 20,392 (10.2 bb)
        BB: 13,420 (6.7 bb)
        UTG+2: 11,340 (5.7 bb)
        MP1: 59,210 (29.6 bb)
        MP2: 18,674 (9.3 bb)
        MP3: 40,194 (20.1 bb)
        CO: 14,500 (7.3 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 A
        UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 4,007, 4 folds, Hero raises to 20,142 and is all-in
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        Old 12-19-2012, 06:22 PM   #318
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        i think he can be r/f any ****, i like shove
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        Old 12-19-2012, 07:31 PM   #319
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        I hate that shove. I don't think he's that wide with shorties behind when he's in 2nd pos. We have very limited fold equity with only 10bb. We will never have him dominated but will be dominated a reasonable amount and will never fold out anything dominating us. If we had a bigger stack so we had fold equity, OK. If our 10bb was shortest stack left, OK. But willingly flipping here w no FE as 3/8 seems it has to be icmfail.

        However I would need to see payouts. I think I read steep pay jumps can counteract icm.
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        Old 12-19-2012, 07:42 PM   #320
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        i dont agree, he can def have a r/f range vs a 10bb stack in this spot
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        Old 12-19-2012, 08:15 PM   #321
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        I hate that shove. I don't think he's that wide with shorties behind when he's in 2nd pos. We have very limited fold equity with only 10bb. We will never have him dominated but will be dominated a reasonable amount and will never fold out anything dominating us. If we had a bigger stack so we had fold equity, OK. If our 10bb was shortest stack left, OK. But willingly flipping here w no FE as 3/8 seems it has to be icmfail.

        However I would need to see payouts. I think I read steep pay jumps can counteract icm.
        payouts:

        1 - 2280
        2 - 1320
        3 - 900
        4 - 660
        5 - 480
        6 - 360
        7 - 0
        8 - 0

        should have also noted that most of these shorties were at my table a long time so i had good reads on them. none of them were shoving enough at F2T, and they have tightened up even more now. seems like they are all waiting for aces and i can't really wait around for them to get coolered can i?
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        Old 12-19-2012, 10:07 PM   #322
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        i dont agree, he can def have a r/f range vs a 10bb stack in this spot
        I think it's fairly rare he is r/f to us, considering how many stacks at the table are 5-10 BB stacks. If he was BTN, maybe, but he has 6 players to get through, many of whom are short. Doubt he has J7s or something. What would you guess his opening range is? Calling range to us?

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        payouts:

        1 - 2280
        2 - 1320
        3 - 900
        4 - 660
        5 - 480
        6 - 360
        7 - 0
        8 - 0

        should have also noted that most of these shorties were at my table a long time so i had good reads on them. none of them were shoving enough at F2T, and they have tightened up even more now. seems like they are all waiting for aces and i can't really wait around for them to get coolered can i?
        Given we aren't even in the money, I hate the ship even more. I was kidding about the payout thing, that was a betgo/munk reference, but given we are on the bubble, this is not good spot at all IMO. If the other players are all waiting for AA, we are wayyyyyy better off shoving any two from the BTN, than reshoving A6s with small fold equity.
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        Old 12-19-2012, 10:48 PM   #323
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        [QUOTE=Black Aces 518;36286282]I think it's fairly rare he is r/f to us, considering how many stacks at the table are 5-10 BB stacks. If he was BTN, maybe, but he has 6 players to get through, many of whom are short. Doubt he has J7s or something. What would you guess his opening range is? Calling range to us?


        hero said that the shorties were extremely nit so they will prolly shove like more or less 6-7 % of the hands (?) so villain can profitably open almost any 2 i guess? and he can call the shove of the 7bb or less stacks and r/f against a 10bb stack

        edit: he can even fold to them and still be profitable i think
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        If the other players are all waiting for AA, we are wayyyyyy better off shoving any two from the BTN, than reshoving A6s with small fold equity.
        it's never folding to me in late pos though. one of the two big stacks is always opening.
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        Old 12-19-2012, 11:23 PM   #325
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        and he can call the shove of the 7bb or less stacks and r/f against a 10bb stack

        edit: he can even fold to them and still be profitable i think
        sometime after this he opened utg and called SB's 5 bb shove with KJo, but of course i didn't have this info at the time.

        Last edited by intclock; 12-19-2012 at 11:24 PM. Reason: but assumed he knows when to call light
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