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07-10-2016 , 02:45 PM

3for3poker

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First hand, AKo, SB. Blinds 150-300. No ante. Effective stacks 50K.

Super lag UTG+3 raises to 800. Calling station UTG+4 calls. New Asian player who is playing first hand at the table calls from cutoff.

Raise size?

Second hand AA, on button.

Super lag raises to 800. Another new player at the table who seems active makes it 2100.

Raise size?

07-10-2016 , 03:03 PM

TheDefiniteArticle

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37, 48

07-10-2016 , 04:51 PM

Alexo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle

37, 48

more on both

Last edited by Alexo; 07-10-2016 at 04:57 PM.

07-10-2016 , 05:20 PM

Ace2sooted

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I like 4200 and 6K.

07-10-2016 , 05:48 PM

AmpeFund

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4.4, call or 6.3ish on 2.

07-11-2016 , 12:03 AM

3for3poker

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Thanks for the replies.

On hand 1, I went with 4100 and a known pro gave me grief that my sizing was too big. Guess he wanted to see a flop with some small pair or suited babies.

On hand 2 I went with 7K. I meant to overbet the pot trying to look like a scared medium pair. If the Superlag had a real hand, I think he'd have played back at me. Alas,He instafolded as expected, and the other hand thought for very little time before mucking AT face up. Maybe I could have gotten some value from him with a slightly more modest raise, but my real target was the SL.

Last edited by 3for3poker; 07-11-2016 at 12:03 AM. Reason: Spellchecker gone amok

07-11-2016 , 12:54 AM

cicakman

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Hand 1- 800
Hand 2- 5100

07-11-2016 , 12:58 AM

Mad1Lee

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Hand 1 - squeeze to 4,5x, or call.

Hand 2 - just call.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3for3poker

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On hand 2 I went with 7K. I meant to overbet the pot trying to look like a scared medium pair. If the Superlag had a real hand, I think he'd have played back at me.

This metagame of yours is happening exclusively in your mind. Your 4bet looks exactly like AA. Especially with that typical fishy logic "I WILL MAKE IT BIG SO NOBODY KNOWS I HAS AA".

07-11-2016 , 09:32 AM

Alexo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad1Lee

Hand 1 - squeeze to 4,5x,

oop with 2 callers and effective like 165bb?

07-11-2016 , 09:43 AM

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Mad1Lee

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexo

oop with 2 callers and effective like 165bb?

I meant 4500 chips, my bad.

07-12-2016 , 06:23 PM

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Soepgroente

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad1Lee

This metagame of yours is happening exclusively in your mind. Your 4bet looks exactly like AA. Especially with that typical fishy logic "I WILL MAKE IT BIG SO NOBODY KNOWS I HAS AA".

What a dumb comment, of course a cold 4bet reps AA. Anything you do after a raise and a 3bet on a full ring table screams strength. But 7k might rep AK or JJ more than 6100 or whatever. Also, if you're going to be a negative ass in every single post, please do everyone a favor and don't post at all.

07-12-2016 , 10:20 PM

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DuckU

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 3for3poker

Thanks for the replies.

On hand 1, I went with 4100 and a known pro gave me grief that my sizing was too big. Guess he wanted to see a flop with some small pair or suited babies.

On hand 2 I went with 7K. I meant to overbet the pot trying to look like a scared medium pair. If the Superlag had a real hand, I think he'd have played back at me. Alas, He instafolded as expected, and the other hand thought for very little time before mucking AT face up. Maybe I could have gotten some value from him with a slightly more modest raise, but my real target was the SL.

I think 4100 on the first hand was just about right. I might of raised to same amount, 4100 on the very next hand with AA. You probably would've been played back at. Being on the button increases the probability one of the villains would've possibly re-raised or even better flatted out of position.

07-13-2016 , 09:49 AM

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Mad1Lee

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Soepgroente

But 7k might rep AK or JJ more than 6100 or whatever. favor and don't post at all.

Cold 4 this deep with jacks? Come on now

07-13-2016 , 01:05 PM

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3for3poker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Soepgroente

Thanks for that. I figured it likely didn't matter, as I was going to win the pot there most of the time. Who knows how EVERY poker player in the world thinks, anyway?

07-13-2016 , 03:37 PM

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Soepgroente

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad1Lee

Cold 4 this deep with jacks? Come on now

I have no idea why you'd think random people can't think you would 4bet JJ here, for info or whatever. Especially given descriptions of villains. Not everyone has a perfect poker mind like you and understands 4betting JJ here is not standard.

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