Ho everybody. It's my first thread and I am not English speaking, therefore excuse me for any mistake or incorrect things.
I am (now) playing a tournament on FT and I already had twice AA.
I won both hands but I am not sure I played them correctly.

Please se the hand history and feel free to make your comments.
Thanks

Hand #1:
Full Tilt Poker Game #8304775424: $50,000 Guarantee (62947182), Table 7 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:01:00 ET - 2008/10/01
Seat 1: ceilidh_cu (3,000)
Seat 2: IPOKERcom (3,000)
Seat 3: pczxmg (3,000)
Seat 4: xRIPCURLx (3,000)
Seat 5: Fdidier8 (3,000)
Seat 6: phatchoy888 (3,000)
Seat 8: dasmijnneger (3,000)
Seat 9: ihasaKAROT (3,000)
ceilidh_cu posts the small blind of 10
IPOKERcom posts the big blind of 20
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pczxmg [Ad As]
pczxmg raises to 60
xRIPCURLx calls 60
Fdidier8 has 15 seconds left to act
Fdidier8 folds
phatchoy888 folds
dasmijnneger has 15 seconds left to act
dasmijnneger is sitting out
dasmijnneger has timed out
dasmijnneger folds
ihasaKAROT calls 60
ceilidh_cu calls 50
IPOKERcom folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks 2s 5h]
ceilidh_cu checks
pczxmg bets 260
xRIPCURLx calls 260
ihasaKAROT folds
ceilidh_cu folds
*** TURN *** [Ks 2s 5h] [6c]
pczxmg checks
xRIPCURLx checks
*** RIVER *** [Ks 2s 5h 6c] [8c]
pczxmg bets 450
xRIPCURLx calls 450
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pczxmg shows [Ad As] a pair of Aces
xRIPCURLx mucks
pczxmg wins the pot (1,680) with a pair of Aces


Hand #2:
Full Tilt Poker Game #8305030750: $50,000 Guarantee (62947182), Table 7 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:23:20 ET - 2008/10/01
Seat 1: neffa (6,210)
Seat 2: goodthing_10 (2,160)
Seat 3: pczxmg (3,775)
Seat 4: xRIPCURLx (2,415)
Seat 5: Fdidier8 (2,920)
Seat 6: phatchoy888 (3,145)
Seat 7: sckilla (2,875)
Seat 8: dasmijnneger (6,135)
Seat 9: ihasaKAROT (3,680)
Fdidier8 posts the small blind of 15
phatchoy888 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pczxmg [As Ad]
sckilla folds
dasmijnneger calls 30
ihasaKAROT has 15 seconds left to act
ihasaKAROT folds
neffa calls 30
goodthing_10 calls 30
pczxmg raises to 180
xRIPCURLx folds
Fdidier8 folds
phatchoy888 has 15 seconds left to act
phatchoy888 folds
dasmijnneger folds
neffa calls 150
goodthing_10 calls 150
*** FLOP *** [5s 4c Jd]
neffa checks
goodthing_10 checks
pczxmg bets 300
neffa calls 300
goodthing_10 has 15 seconds left to act
goodthing_10 folds
*** TURN *** [5s 4c Jd] [8h]
neffa checks
pczxmg checks
*** RIVER *** [5s 4c Jd 8h] [8s]
neffa has 15 seconds left to act
neffa has timed out
neffa checks
pczxmg has been disconnected
pczxmg has 15 seconds left to act
pczxmg bets 750
pczxmg has reconnected
neffa calls 750
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pczxmg shows [As Ad] two pair, Aces and Eights
neffa mucks
pczxmg wins the pot (2,715) with two pair, Aces and Eights

Bet the turn on hand one. Raise more PF hand two. Probably also bet the turn hand two.

bet the turn in both hands

I disagree about hand 1. I would check/call on hand 1. This is why. Suppose you bet 260, and he raises to 700 on hand 1? What do you do? This could be a draw, pair, or set. You have absolutely no idea. So suppose you call his raise. Now he bets about 3/4 pot, or 1200 on the turn. You have to pot-commit one way or the other. That just gives set-mining too good a situation. This is the kind of hand I am dreaming of when I call a UTG raise with 22 or 55.

On hand 2, I think your preflop raise is ok, probably better to make it 210-240, but 180 will do. But I would bet a little bigger on the flop, instead of your half pot bet, maybe 2/3-3/4 pot. Then bet the turn. You want to build the pot to get-it all-in by the river. You are likely to stack somebody with a King in their hand.


The difference? In the first hand, your stack to pot ratio is about 12 --- way too deep to take a one-pair hand all-in. In the second hand the ratio is only about 6, much shallower.

anyone who says betting the turn is correct is a ****** imo.

fyp! both hands are easy bets on the turn early in a tournament filled with donks who can't fold top pair!

good players aren't afraid of not knowing where they're at

cool, i still think you should tho

First of all thanks to all those who are contributing to this thread.

My reasoning for not betting on the turn in both cases was the attempt to play a check-raise or a check call according to how deep was the eventual bet from my opoponent.
Is that reasoning wrong? If I bet on the turn and he folds, that I don't get anything more than the pot. If I check and he checks at least I have some possibility to get something more on the river (as happened in both those cases).
Or not ???

Thanks again

Billy Bibbet said:

"good players are not afraid of not knowing where they're at"

Actually, I couldn't disagree more. Good players WANT to know where they are at before they commit with a marginal hand. They are very afraid of having to commit their stack without knowing where they are at. That's why they go to such great pains to piece together the hand, so they can know where they are at.

the problem with trying to check-raise the turn is that most people aren't going to bet into you when you were the aggressor pre-flop and on the flop. check-calling the turn is a bad play when you've been the aggressor. You want to keep the aggression going.

I thought your flop bet in hand one was a bit large - usualy 3/4 of the pot on a drawy board is better. I believe you made a pot-sized bet.

the way it worked out, I think your turn checks got you action on the river. but it's possible that they would have also called on the turn and river and that you cost yourself some chips. I think I would have bet both turns. I'm surprised your river bets were called - I would've made a smaller value bet.

you seem to be doing fine, dont check those turns though

i like betting the turn way more in hand 2 than in hand 1.

hand 1, i like the check, especially if you shove if he bets.

i mean, we have the nuts, ya know?