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03-13-2012 , 04:50 AM

#301

sketchy1

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 8,333

my first post in hsmtt in a long time lol i just now realized i had first reply in this epic thread.

03-13-2012 , 08:10 AM

#302

set back

enthusiast

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 58

Yea cool thread. Why dont you bump the other thread where a douche rolled some 2p2s and was defended by an even bigger scumbag

11-25-2014 , 03:44 AM

#303

Deuce2High

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Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,596

lol

11-25-2014 , 07:38 AM

#304

ValuetownJL

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,436

Limp pre🙊

11-25-2014 , 08:19 AM

#305

LittleGoliath

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 3,921

Funny that there was already lots of talking about limping in those years, some guys were miles ahead

11-25-2014 , 10:16 AM

#306

squire1888

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,683

glorious

11-25-2014 , 12:19 PM

#307

potbets

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 326

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8y-qy9N01I

11-25-2014 , 10:07 PM

#308

betgo

banned

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 28,590

Quote:

Originally Posted by LittleGoliath

Funny that there was already lots of talking about limping in those years, some guys were miles ahead

Has completing from the SB changed in popularity back and forth since then? I assume from the

you are aware limping in general was more accepted then.

11-26-2014 , 01:23 AM

#309

ChiefBlackfoot

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 561

seems fitting that FU_15 would rage on this totally fine shove back in '08 when even the more competent regs knew it was +EV.

11-26-2014 , 01:44 AM

#310

betgo

banned

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 28,590

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefBlackfoot

seems fitting that FU_15 would rage on this totally fine shove back in '08 when even the more competent regs knew it was +EV.

Of course it is +EV compared to folding. It is +EV to open shove TT+/AK, but pretty bad. As I indicated 6 years ago, limp/3-bet is better in most dynamics with a hand that plays so well postflop. Of course the play was very unusual then, hence the long thread.

11-26-2014 , 02:11 AM

#311

Knumhealts

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 224

Quote:

Originally Posted by betgo

Yes, betgo. That is why the thread is long. Not the jealous 2p2 gang mindset attacking an albeit easy target in FU_15 who is obviously way clueless/also won more than anyone else, and the fact that FU_15 was attacking a 2p2 hero/someone that won more than him/is infinitely smarter/better than him in djk.

You are right. You WERE ahead of your time. It was the unique strategy talk not the underlying aspects mentioned before that made it long!

DIDNT YOU PROMISE TO LEAVE MANY TIMES.

WHAT MENTAL DISORDER DO YOU SUFFER FROM?

11-26-2014 , 04:37 PM

#312

ChiefBlackfoot

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 561

Quote:

Originally Posted by betgo

Of course it is +EV compared to folding. It is +EV to open shove TT+/AK, but pretty bad. As I indicated 6 years ago, limp/call a shove expecting to see 73s is better in most dynamics with a hand that plays so well postflop. Of course the play was very unusual then, hence the long thread.

fyp

03-27-2016 , 05:06 AM

#313

pkratitsbest

veteran

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,035

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.
WOW TODD TALKING ABOUT "GAME THEORY OPTIMAL" ON DA FIRST PAGE
HES MILES AHEAD OF DA GAME IN 2008

03-27-2016 , 07:54 AM

#314

Sokz

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,331

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soepgroente

Nevermind I messed something up when I recalculated before. Still though this can't be unexploitably +EV if you consider that he's going to wake up with a stronger hand than a random one once the whole table folds to the SB. I actually kinda wonder how big this impact is btw.

But if you consider a random hand then yes, unexploitable and showing a net gain of just under 200 chips when face up and perfect calling ranges. As he probably calls tighter than that we'll be showing an even bigger profit.

Cool, 99% of the people still fail to account for this nowadays shoving blindly based on 'nash chart ranges'

03-27-2016 , 02:35 PM

#315

Soepgroente

Pooh-Bah

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Sshh

04-01-2016 , 04:53 PM

#316

fourup

newbie

Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 16

glorious!

04-01-2016 , 05:12 PM

#317

fourup

newbie

Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 16

overshove. stupid way -ve ev

04-03-2016 , 08:45 PM

#318

arcdog

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Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,361

Thought about this thread earlier his weekend - glad to see it back. This one and the "Bizarre" hand played by Cornell Fiji and Ike in a Bellagio $5k were probably the best two HSMTT threads or at least 2 of top 5 or 6.