Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars..... - High Stakes MTT Strategy

FU_15 · 07-15-2008, 11:18 PM

PokerStars Game #18852391897: Tournament #95445213, $1000+$50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2008/07/15 - 22:52:39 (ET)
Table '95445213 13' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Greg Boston (9160 in chips)
Seat 2: WPThero (12464 in chips)
Seat 3: PlzBelieveMe (22182 in chips)
Seat 4: djk123 (10343 in chips)
Seat 5: FU_15 (13894 in chips)
Seat 6: Big_Nemo (7848 in chips)
Seat 7: divanych1 (9447 in chips)
Seat 8: armenioz (13708 in chips)
Seat 9: Sir_winalot9 (14114 in chips)
Greg Boston: posts the ante 40
WPThero: posts the ante 40
PlzBelieveMe: posts the ante 40
djk123: posts the ante 40
FU_15: posts the ante 40
Big_Nemo: posts the ante 40
divanych1: posts the ante 40
armenioz: posts the ante 40
Sir_winalot9: posts the ante 40
djk123: posts small blind 200
FU_15: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FU_15 [Jd Jh]
Big_Nemo: folds
divanych1: folds
armenioz: folds
Sir_winalot9: folds
Greg Boston: folds
WPThero: folds
PlzBelieveMe: folds
djk123: raises 9903 to 10303 and is all-in
FU_15: calls 9903
*** FLOP *** [Th Tc 4c]
*** TURN *** [Th Tc 4c] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Th Tc 4c 2d] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
djk123: shows [Td Qd] (three of a kind, Tens)
FU_15: shows [Jd Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
djk123 collected 20966 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20966 | Rake 0
Board [Th Tc 4c 2d Kh]
Seat 1: Greg Boston folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: WPThero folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: PlzBelieveMe (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: djk123 (small blind) showed [Td Qd] and won (20966) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 5: FU_15 (big blind) showed [Jd Jh] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 6: Big_Nemo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: divanych1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: armenioz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Sir_winalot9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Just would like some thoughts on this shove.....He is jamming 25 bbs at 200 400. risking 10k to win 800 in the middle.

sketchy1 · 07-15-2008, 11:25 PM

looks pretty std to me

Todd Terry · 07-15-2008, 11:27 PM

Looks game theoretically optimal to me.

Edit: Also looks like there's 960 in the middle to me.

djk123 · 07-15-2008, 11:28 PM

pwnage

dipthrong · 07-15-2008, 11:31 PM

what is this post about?

Jalman1 · 07-15-2008, 11:42 PM

yeah i like this shove....pretty unexploitable against a player such as urself (comiong from the image of djk)

KramerTM · 07-15-2008, 11:50 PM

glorious post by FU_15

shaundeeb · 07-16-2008, 12:03 AM

so happy to see fu 15 strag

**gobbo** · 07-16-2008, 12:10 AM

Unexploitable, easy shove.

The Universe · 07-16-2008, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djk123

pwnage

.

Deuce2High · 07-16-2008, 12:37 AM

This thread is unreal to me.

sickofitall · 07-16-2008, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gobbo

Unexploitable, easy shove.

waddya all talkin about?? r u leveling? if anything is exploitable then this kinda bull****

luckychewy · 07-16-2008, 01:09 AM

fu15 fight me

theprodigalson · 07-16-2008, 01:12 AM

no leveling going on man. you cant exploit an overshove

Tiltyjoker · 07-16-2008, 01:41 AM

whats the worst hand we can shove 25bb's with... and be break even??? Given say 66+ A10+ KQ calling range

ohhh and playing unexploitably is disgustingly OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ASPoker8 · 07-16-2008, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deuce2High

This thread is unreal to me.

this thread made me smile real wide for obvious reasons

a few include:

-fu_15 criticizing djk
-fu_15 complaining about luck

**gobbo** · 07-16-2008, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker

whats the worst hand we can shove 25bb's with... and be break even??? Given say 66+ A10+ KQ calling range

ohhh and playing unexploitably is disgustingly OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any two cards.

Actually to be breakeven, shoving any two cards and then mucking when getting called.

busto_soon · 07-16-2008, 02:21 AM

Suboptimal, but nh.

dpottz · 07-16-2008, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by busto_soon

Suboptimal, but nh.

i assume you prefer limp/shoving. how loose is FU_15 calling an open shove compared to how loose he calls a limp/shove?

BadgerPro · 07-16-2008, 02:33 AM

easy jam

mkind0516 · 07-16-2008, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dipthrong

what is this post about?

POST MORE!

busto_soon · 07-16-2008, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpottz

i assume you prefer limp/shoving. how loose is FU_15 calling an open shove compared to how loose he calls a limp/shove?

I'm only openshoving this against very solid players. Vs. mediocre/bad ones I just put QT in the 3x/f range.

But I have some work to do about bvb ranges, so I'd like to know if (and why) this is bad.

Although, I'm definitely shoving up to 18-20bbs vs. someone as aggro as Spew_15.

dpottz · 07-16-2008, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by busto_soon

I'm only openshoving this against very solid players. Vs. mediocre/bad ones I just put QT in the 3x/f range.

But I have some work to do about bvb ranges, so I'd like to know if (and why) this is bad.

Although, I'm definitely shoving up to 18-20bbs vs. someone as aggro as Spew_15.

oh i definitely don't think it's bad and think it's pretty standard/fine, i was just wondering what your preferred line is against FU in this situation (if shoving is suboptimal)

jordankickz · 07-16-2008, 03:16 AM

op, please post more strat!

Proofrock · 07-16-2008, 03:29 AM

With the antes this shove is unexploitable if djk turns his hand face up and shoves (but not so without the antes).