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Old 07-15-2008, 11:18 PM   #1
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Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

PokerStars Game #18852391897: Tournament #95445213, $1000+$50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2008/07/15 - 22:52:39 (ET)
Table '95445213 13' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Greg Boston (9160 in chips)
Seat 2: WPThero (12464 in chips)
Seat 3: PlzBelieveMe (22182 in chips)
Seat 4: djk123 (10343 in chips)
Seat 5: FU_15 (13894 in chips)
Seat 6: Big_Nemo (7848 in chips)
Seat 7: divanych1 (9447 in chips)
Seat 8: armenioz (13708 in chips)
Seat 9: Sir_winalot9 (14114 in chips)
Greg Boston: posts the ante 40
WPThero: posts the ante 40
PlzBelieveMe: posts the ante 40
djk123: posts the ante 40
FU_15: posts the ante 40
Big_Nemo: posts the ante 40
divanych1: posts the ante 40
armenioz: posts the ante 40
Sir_winalot9: posts the ante 40
djk123: posts small blind 200
FU_15: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FU_15 [Jd Jh]
Big_Nemo: folds
divanych1: folds
armenioz: folds
Sir_winalot9: folds
Greg Boston: folds
WPThero: folds
PlzBelieveMe: folds
djk123: raises 9903 to 10303 and is all-in
FU_15: calls 9903
*** FLOP *** [Th Tc 4c]
*** TURN *** [Th Tc 4c] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [Th Tc 4c 2d] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
djk123: shows [Td Qd] (three of a kind, Tens)
FU_15: shows [Jd Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
djk123 collected 20966 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20966 | Rake 0
Board [Th Tc 4c 2d Kh]
Seat 1: Greg Boston folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: WPThero folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: PlzBelieveMe (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: djk123 (small blind) showed [Td Qd] and won (20966) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 5: FU_15 (big blind) showed [Jd Jh] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 6: Big_Nemo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: divanych1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: armenioz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Sir_winalot9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Just would like some thoughts on this shove.....He is jamming 25 bbs at 200 400. risking 10k to win 800 in the middle.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:25 PM   #2
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

looks pretty std to me
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:27 PM   #3
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

Looks game theoretically optimal to me.

Edit: Also looks like there's 960 in the middle to me.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:28 PM   #4
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

pwnage
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:31 PM   #5
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

what is this post about?
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:42 PM   #6
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

yeah i like this shove....pretty unexploitable against a player such as urself (comiong from the image of djk)
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:50 PM   #7
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

glorious post by FU_15
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:03 AM   #8
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

so happy to see fu 15 strag
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:10 AM   #9
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

Unexploitable, easy shove.
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:33 AM   #10
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

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Old 07-16-2008, 12:37 AM   #11
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

This thread is unreal to me.
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:53 AM   #12
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

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Unexploitable, easy shove.
waddya all talkin about?? r u leveling? if anything is exploitable then this kinda bull****
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Old 07-16-2008, 01:09 AM   #13
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

fu15 fight me
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Old 07-16-2008, 01:12 AM   #14
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

no leveling going on man. you cant exploit an overshove
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Old 07-16-2008, 01:41 AM   #15
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

whats the worst hand we can shove 25bb's with... and be break even??? Given say 66+ A10+ KQ calling range

ohhh and playing unexploitably is disgustingly OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-16-2008, 01:43 AM   #16
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

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This thread is unreal to me.
this thread made me smile real wide for obvious reasons

a few include:

-fu_15 criticizing djk
-fu_15 complaining about luck
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Old 07-16-2008, 01:48 AM   #17
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

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whats the worst hand we can shove 25bb's with... and be break even??? Given say 66+ A10+ KQ calling range

ohhh and playing unexploitably is disgustingly OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any two cards.

Actually to be breakeven, shoving any two cards and then mucking when getting called.
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Old 07-16-2008, 02:21 AM   #18
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

Suboptimal, but nh.
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Old 07-16-2008, 02:26 AM   #19
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

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Suboptimal, but nh.
i assume you prefer limp/shoving. how loose is FU_15 calling an open shove compared to how loose he calls a limp/shove?
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Old 07-16-2008, 02:33 AM   #20
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

easy jam
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Old 07-16-2008, 02:35 AM   #21
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

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what is this post about?
POST MORE!
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Old 07-16-2008, 02:40 AM   #22
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

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i assume you prefer limp/shoving. how loose is FU_15 calling an open shove compared to how loose he calls a limp/shove?
I'm only openshoving this against very solid players. Vs. mediocre/bad ones I just put QT in the 3x/f range.

But I have some work to do about bvb ranges, so I'd like to know if (and why) this is bad.

Although, I'm definitely shoving up to 18-20bbs vs. someone as aggro as Spew_15.
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Old 07-16-2008, 02:48 AM   #23
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

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I'm only openshoving this against very solid players. Vs. mediocre/bad ones I just put QT in the 3x/f range.

But I have some work to do about bvb ranges, so I'd like to know if (and why) this is bad.

Although, I'm definitely shoving up to 18-20bbs vs. someone as aggro as Spew_15.
oh i definitely don't think it's bad and think it's pretty standard/fine, i was just wondering what your preferred line is against FU in this situation (if shoving is suboptimal)
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Old 07-16-2008, 03:16 AM   #24
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

op, please post more strat!
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Old 07-16-2008, 03:29 AM   #25
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Re: Glorious shove by DJK in 1k on stars.....

With the antes this shove is unexploitable if djk turns his hand face up and shoves (but not so without the antes).
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