We just reached the money at 48th in this 1k reentry side event in south america couple hands ago.
We're playing 1.5k-3k/400 with blinds about to go up to 2k-4k/500.
In this particular hand, UTG shoves for ~3.5bb.
UTG+1 (a lady who has the table covered with a bit more than 30bbs and im a bit familiar with her) thinks for a bit and overshoves.
It folds to my bb and I see AQ whats hero's best line with the following dynamics:

Hero has ~17-18bbs now with blinds about to go up.
We're already itm with mincash paying 1.55k and almost 70k up top.
UTG+1 looks a bit nervous and even tells the dealer to make sure I know she overshoved when i start tanking a bit and counting my chips.
From what I've seen around left, hero considers to have an edge over most of the remaining field.

Without reads, this is a fold, because she shouldn't be pushing 30xBB UTG+1 with anything you are much ahead of. She also should need a strong hand to just isolate. Depends on effective stacks and how spewy woman is.

yeah default is grudgingly fold, but could push to a call depending on table dynamics and specifically how she plays, is she positionally aware, understand stack sizes, etc. Agree that 'standard' situation isnt ripping 30BB in with AJ UTG1 here.

My read was UTG+1 will most likely show up w/ pairs shes trying to protect and dont want to deal seeing flops with as well as AK dont really think she will have AQ o AJ in her range. Also, looked like she didnt want other player in the hand.
My doubt comes regarding that if I believe most times will be flipping, is this a situation where I can take gamble for trying to get a stack that will give me better chances for the rest of the tourney with what i believe should be a >40% equity hand?

If I fold that prolly should be the standard, having in mind that im not expecting her to show up with worst As in that spot I will be left with ~12-13bbs once blinds go up.
Its live so with that stack opponents wont be adjusting that fast or at all to my shoving, reshoving ranges (I could even have some r/f in my arsenal but thats a different story). Situation is that when called I dont think i will have >30% equity most times

Agree.

grunching

snap fold. ok it's not a snap fold, but i prob dont think tooo hard about it and fold anyways. dont really wanna call off flipping and sometimes buried when you're a) not that short and b) better than the field.

or ya. gamble & go for heaps.

still folding

Yeah, I guess that if we're possitive villain's range wont have worst aces this should be a fold at the end. My doubt comes on where are we drawing the line for an appropiate calling range for a situation like this and what should that be???

Say we have the same situation and villain opens her cards before we make a decision and she has Ts or what if she opens AQ/AK and we have Ts. Are we calling? why/why not on each case??? Those scenarios having in mind we have all the given dynamics.

those are some interesting conditions and i actually had teh same exact question regarding the hand daniel strelitz posted about the 216 multi entry sunday major on ftp where he has 99 on the FT bubble. my question (that obv never gets answered) was do we ereally want to flip here. like, if they show you AK there do you still call w/ 99 knowing you're FORCED to realize your equity by the river in order to win. vs jamming later & getting 90% folds or whatever.

this is kind of the same spot. given your read i'd assume she has something like 8s or whatever and is still ahead. she beat you into the pot so in order to win you're going to have to realize your equity (ie if she flats & u jam u have FE too). i just dont think she's ripping 30 bigz into the rest of the table w/ AJ or KQ (or even Ax or QJ) all that often, tho she might. even 77 still beats you and you're flipping vs it. BUT, these pay jumps are (i assume) really flat until you go much deeper, which gives weight to the go for heaps argument.


idk, i think i'm more likely to jam K8hh next hand vs the 4 bb guy if folded to me than i am to call off here. but i think this might be the top of my folding range, cause looking back i kinda dont want to. probably folding this and 88/99 as the top of my range. TT i'm probably calling still but am def sometimes still folding. i think JJ+, AK which i realize is LOLWEAKTIGHT. just dont think we have to commit here.

seriously i think some people don't realize how effective 'holding onto' even just 7 bbz can be. u still get more folds than you'd ever expect to and due to the nature of your short stack when u are called wide by bigger ones you have much better equity vs their ****ty calls. except ofc when u rip 44 and they call J8 etc. plus it forces some other stacks to tip toe cause you're that shorty's supposed to bust soon. this is bad in that they're less likely to knock eachother out, but good in that they will somewhat fall into the patern of not getting overly commited in pots because you're short and can make silly mistakes misinterpreting the actual conditions of you being short. are you folding up the pay scale, playing tight, waiting for hands over spots, etc. plus they'll probably occasionally be less inclined to steal fearing you're going to jam over and they'll have to call with crap. this is good in that if they're opening less you get to jam when folded to more often because (if they're on your right) they're not gonna be stealing as often.
these are VERY MARGINALLY SMALL benefits of grinding a short/micro stack, but i feel like benefits i recognize nonetheless.

think it's easy to decide to snap go with AQdd here if you have like 27k. i'm probably folding it w/ the 50ish you'll have now that you just got through the blinds & get to play all of the late positions this orbit.

yeah. i'm really long winded o,o

Kinda tough to get thru all of that but worth it for the multiple nuggets of goodness.
I agree.

Can you safely state that she wont shove AA KK and QQ here? If thats the case there are 3.5bb dead money and we've already put in a big blind. With 16bb it doesnt matter if you have some edge over field. Call win a flip and then you can put that edge of yours to work.