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Old 05-28-2009, 10:10 PM   #76
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Re: Big stacks collide in $5,000 WSOP 6 max tourney. Wait for a better spot?

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good ole link to the page within the page ;p

this is actually a pretty fml spot w/ JJ/QQ.... seriously gtfo!!!! w/ 44
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:26 PM   #77
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Whatever happened to that guy?
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:06 PM   #78
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Re: Big stacks collide in $5,000 WSOP 6 max tourney. Wait for a better spot?

Snapcall. How is this even a thread?
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Old 05-28-2009, 11:09 PM   #79
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^Pretty epic first post imo.

Also, can I hire a 2p2er at $5 a thread to just bump a bunch of old threads of Cornell trying to justify ridiculous FPS at random intervals?
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Old 05-29-2009, 01:10 AM   #80
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Re: Big stacks collide in $5,000 WSOP 6 max tourney. Wait for a better spot?

is the book done yet?
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Old 05-29-2009, 02:05 AM   #81
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Re: Big stacks collide in $5,000 WSOP 6 max tourney. Wait for a better spot?

holy ****.
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Old 05-29-2009, 06:40 AM   #82
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Re: Big stacks collide in $5,000 WSOP 6 max tourney. Wait for a better spot?

Interesting to see this post about Ferit Gabriellson - he just won the 2009 Swedish Championship in NL Holdem.
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Old 05-29-2009, 02:02 PM   #83
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Re: Big stacks collide in $5,000 WSOP 6 max tourney. Wait for a better spot?

Results please, what did he show after you tank him long time and call?
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Old 05-29-2009, 02:03 PM   #84
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You're overthinking it, Steve. He's not trying to 8th level a random (in his eyes) in a WSOP shorthanded event where people don't like folding. If he puts you on a calling range of QQ+ AK then 4betting with anything other than an extremely tight range here would be really dumb. If you think he's capable of shoving over your 3bet so ridiculously light that you'd consider calling with 44 then you shouldn't be 3betting pre without the stone nuts. It seems like you didn't have a plan at all when you raised.

The situation is not that tough and there are so many factors and levels going on to make this a good call that if either one of you is on the wrong level OR he just decided his QQ was good and he was going to shove then you're absolutely ****ed since you just played a pot for 5x the average stack with 44 pre.
This.
I'll be stunned if he turned over anything less than KK or AA.
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Old 05-29-2009, 06:47 PM   #85
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Please tell us, did he really have 33??
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Old 05-30-2009, 12:52 PM   #86
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lol epic thread
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Old 05-30-2009, 12:53 PM   #87
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Please tell us, did he really have 33??
he had 33
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Old 05-30-2009, 08:04 PM   #88
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he had 33
offcourse he did, good read
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Old 06-02-2009, 05:09 AM   #89
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Re: Big stacks collide in $5,000 WSOP 6 max tourney. Wait for a better spot?

Results? Fiji?
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Old 06-02-2009, 06:03 AM   #90
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Results? Fiji?
Fiji aint here anymore
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Old 06-02-2009, 07:34 AM   #91
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Re: Big stacks collide in $5,000 WSOP 6 max tourney. Wait for a better spot?

Buy his book for a more detailed discussion of this hand (plus results).
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:13 AM   #92
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Re: Big stacks collide in $5,000 WSOP 6 max tourney. Wait for a better spot?

Looking at this in the complilation, and have a couple of comments.

First, OP is getting 1.26-1. This is not that huge an overshove. Also, villain was UTG 6-max, which is real different from an UTG raise at a full table.

I think villain has AK/AQ a very large percentage of the time. AK seems like the natural hand to make this play with. However, you still can't call with 44. You need 44% equity to be cEV+, and I don't see how you get that. There are also big ICM considerations, but they may be somewhat compensated for by the value in becoming tournament leader if you win.

As for the initial 3-bet, I think small pps are awful to do this with. First of all, you are deep enough to call and play for a set, as well as using position, so you lose some value here.

Also, you get flatted a lot, and this is tricky to play the 84% or so of the time you don't flop a set or straight draw. With a suited gapper, you can semibluff with a draw.
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Old 11-29-2010, 10:39 AM   #93
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fistpump snapcall
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Old 11-29-2010, 05:42 PM   #94
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Old 11-29-2010, 10:57 PM   #95
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Re: Big stacks collide in $5,000 WSOP 6 max tourney. Wait for a better spot?

I THINK QQ AK KK MAYBE JJ I THINK TANKING IS FINE BUT ID CUT MY LOSSES AND FOLD NICE RESTEAL TRY
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Old 11-30-2010, 12:33 AM   #96
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I just busted the ridic $500 coop struc 49th & was really upset but this thread honestly made me lol. I can only assume that it is a joke & if so wp Fiji.
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Old 11-30-2010, 01:06 AM   #97
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Re: Big stacks collide in $5,000 WSOP 6 max tourney. Wait for a better spot?

Why would you raise? You have monster stacks, good levels, etc...

Just flat call and play for set value. Much better spots to pick then to flip

at best.
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Old 11-30-2010, 01:56 AM   #98
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I think that this might have been the most interesting hand that I played during the 40 or so tournaments that I played in this summer.
lame summer
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Old 12-05-2010, 03:24 PM   #99
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Re: Big stacks collide in $5,000 WSOP 6 max tourney. Wait for a better spot?

With 44 you may take down an entire stack by flatting against an UTG raiser, while 3betting only exposes you to turning a set possibility into a sheer bluff.

Even if the guy had been clumsy enough to just flat your 3bet, your situation with 44 on almost any board remains bleak because your perceived range is better than your actual hand and you are bound to bluff him out with a hand with virtually no equity - which is most of the times wrong. Whereas, in a single raised pot your perceived range would've been way more vast as to fit with much many flops and allow you to represent more medium made hands to balance your thin value/bluff with.
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Old 12-05-2010, 10:53 PM   #100
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Re: Big stacks collide in $5,000 WSOP 6 max tourney. Wait for a better spot?

This 3b debate is much more interesting than the fold IMO.

small pairs play worse against aggressive wide ranges, correct? I don't mind the 3b at all.
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