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10-22-2012 , 11:43 AM

#101

bestindabiz51

adept

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,132

lol
update on the CF book?

10-24-2012 , 11:01 AM

#102

doyougnome

adept

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 734

You deserve to sit out a round for tanking 3-5 minutes on this hand...

10-25-2012 , 10:09 AM

#103

JIMMERZZZ

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 322

This is a fold but if you are 3 betting a hand like 44 here im assuming its to 5-bet jam right ? otherwise its ridiculous to 3 bet this hand in the 1st place ....just wondering if this was your plan because you never mentioned this in original post .... a la joe cheong

10-25-2012 , 10:48 PM

#104

frankie boyle

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 525

Results????

11-04-2012 , 11:02 PM

#105

capiscc

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 675

So did you fold?

11-05-2012 , 05:47 AM

#106

Foldstein

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 49

Not sure how to quote yet but easier?

'This is, to me, the perfect time to be flatting pre with 44. (vs big stack slow structure etc)

In either case, fold to the shove.'

sheets

This

11-05-2012 , 08:11 AM

#107

Toreador

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,217

best thread ever

11-05-2012 , 02:41 PM

#108

lolusernames

adept

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 766

the self levelling is strong in this one

12-04-2013 , 07:35 PM

#109

Deoxyribo

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,028

Quote:

Originally Posted by betgo

Looking at this in the complilation, and have a couple of comments.

First, OP is getting 1.26-1. This is not that huge an overshove. Also, villain was UTG 6-max, which is real different from an UTG raise at a full table.

I think villain has AK/AQ a very large percentage of the time. AK seems like the natural hand to make this play with. However, you still can't call with 44. You need 44% equity to be cEV+, and I don't see how you get that. There are also big ICM considerations, but they may be somewhat compensated for by the value in becoming tournament leader if you win.

As for the initial 3-bet, I think small pps are awful to do this with. First of all, you are deep enough to call and play for a set, as well as using position, so you lose some value here.

Also, you get flatted a lot, and this is tricky to play the 84% or so of the time you don't flop a set or straight draw. With a suited gapper, you can semibluff with a draw.

lol missed this gold

12-04-2013 , 07:46 PM

#110

Neepohrl

banned

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,144

betgo is a moron. old news.

12-06-2013 , 03:49 PM

#111

betterlol

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 248

A persistent moron though. Gotta give him at least some credit.

12-06-2013 , 03:53 PM

#112

betterlol

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 248

On another note, how is this Cornell guy doing nowadays? Still playing poker?

12-07-2013 , 01:50 PM

#113

ledn378

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,083

Whats the deal with threads with pretty straightforward hands lasting 6 years? A couple of them on front page of HSMTT.

Its basically a breakeven cEV call if his range is any pair, any broadway (18%). How could this possibly be a call with your stack size right now?

12-07-2013 , 02:01 PM

#114

Dantes

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,833

Quote:

Originally Posted by betterlol

On another note, how is this Cornell guy doing nowadays? Still playing poker?

No tournament cashes since this one according to pokerpages.

12-07-2013 , 03:40 PM

#115

Crockett616

Snoopy of MTTs

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 731

The good ol days when many good posters participated...

12-07-2013 , 07:29 PM

#116

jon_midas

veteran

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,085

Quote:

Originally Posted by ledn378

Whats the deal with threads with pretty straightforward hands lasting 6 years? A couple of them on front page of HSMTT.

The way that you think the "front page" works, probably isn't how it works.

12-07-2013 , 07:59 PM

#117

J_HasTheNuts

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,442

I realize this thread is an old classic, but it's actually a good 3bet albeit probably accidentally.

12-10-2013 , 01:33 PM

#118

Gags30

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,428

"what ****** bumpbed the cornel fiji thread?"

deoxy.......underSTOOD

12-12-2013 , 12:50 PM

#119

24caliber

enthusiast

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 51

Fold wahh!!!! Flat preflop imo, position, bigger stack, playable hand, image, you got more info on him than he does on you - a lot of things going in your favour.

I think you should realise/consider though for future spots, even if you are ahead or +ev chips vs his jamming range (marginal/optmistic!) you may well be giving away money to everyone else in the tournament by risking such a big % of your stack so light in this situation.

Edit: OK I just realised this thread is 6 years old. "missed this gold" lol Deo ! Elky was chippy eh?

Last edited by 24caliber; 12-12-2013 at 12:56 PM.

12-12-2013 , 11:42 PM

#120

ssg

old hand

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,430

all in pre to avoid you getting shoved on plz

12-12-2013 , 11:47 PM

#121

bikram

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,651

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssg

all in pre to avoid you getting shoved on plz

8,500 to 260,000.

This is a joke right?

07-16-2015 , 06:12 PM

#122

gobbo

Trust the fat man.

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,623

Bump.

07-16-2015 , 06:19 PM

#123

MrTimCaum

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,655

#memories

09-18-2015 , 11:42 AM

#124

turoo

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 423

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingDan

Ike,

Hand 0: 47.113% 46.45% 00.67% 219506352 3145878.00 { 44 }
Hand 1: 52.887% 52.22% 00.67% 246797796 3145878.00 { QQ+, 33-22, AKs, AKo

Hand 0: 48.048% 47.83% 00.22% 226024056 1050378.00 { JJ }
Hand 1: 51.952% 51.73% 00.22% 244471092 1050378.00 { QQ+, 33-22, AKs, AKo }

09-18-2015 , 01:58 PM

#125

LittleGoliath

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 3,921

Quote:

Originally Posted by turoo

hahah wow

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