This hand came up today and I would like to get some help seeing that these spots do come up in the early stages of tournaments. I have heard many different theories on how to play AK pre during the first couple of levels, and I haven't really been sold on "one" correct way.

I have 0 reads on Villain. But feel like his range is pretty narrow in this spot.. Please feel free to elaborate on you thoughts.. But in general this is how I see this and similar spots.

A: Fold to his three bet
B: 4 Bet and fold to 5 Bet
C: Flat his 3 bet (Which I personally would never do, but it is an option.. I guess)


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $150 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17271701

UTG+1: 2,970 (99 bb)
UTG+2: 2,320 (77.3 bb)
MP1: 4,070 (135.7 bb)
MP2: 3,140 (104.7 bb)
MP3: 2,970 (99 bb)
Hero (CO): 2,630 (87.7 bb)
BTN: 2,985 (99.5 bb)
SB: 2,985 (99.5 bb)
BB: 3,045 (101.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K A
5 folds, Hero raises to 75, BTN raises to 240, 2 folds

If you make a living out of hustling unwarranted markup from idiots, you should try to avoid posting HSMTT threads which prove that you have zero clue whatsoever.

.15 markup for WSOP and the first two lines you suggest are raise/folding AK CO vs button....and 4b/folding AK.

My advice to you is to either immediately drop down in stakes drastically and relearn the game as you lack even the fundamental basics to begin to beat it, or just walk away immediately and find a real job. You are straight up stealing from anyone dumb enough to invest in you. And I don't care what results you have to show. This post alone shows you have zero clue.

You even include that you personally never do the most reasonable option of the 3. Well, shoving is more reasonable than 4b/f or fold. This is stuff that anyone being staked in 12$ 180 mans should know.

Why Invest??

Trust, Lifestyle Experience and WSOP Playing Experience/results. When I look at the investments I make here on 2+2 these are the things I look at.. (pretty much in order) I have never had any issues with my packages, I update regularly and I am there to make you and myself a ton of $$. I have 9 WSOP cashes and have experienced the bright lights of the WSOP.

these forums are made to help players get better!

regardless of how dumb the question is, the dude asked a straight up question.... why must you tear him up about it?

he didnt say hes the best, nor did he say hes better than you... so why be an ******* just because he charges what in his mind is a reasonable markup?

grow up dude!

^ Thanks..

I honestly have no problem with the way I played the hand.. Nor my thought process in-game...

As to shoving rather than 4bet/f.. I would disagree.. But I am open to you explaining your thoughts.

I don't think folding here is unreasonable.

Why would I explain my thoughts of why I think 4b shoving AK is a better play than 4b folding AK CO vs BUTTON in a 162$ buyin online?

You are clueless. It would be like me explaining algebra to a 2 yearold. Not wasting my time. You can do the math/figure it out yourself/work hard. Do whatever you want I don't care. I gave you free advice.

I mean, I just woke up. Is this 2008? Am I dreaming?

^ Well you should explain it because that is what this forum is for :-)

I didn't see this before I posted above but if I were to do the kidpoker and put him on one hand only it would be queens.

As you can see Neepohrl posted the outcome of the hand... Any thoughts are appreciated..

really? we open cut and u just wanna fold to a btn 3bet? i click call.

Can you explain how you would play pre and post.. Would appreciate it...

really getty? can you explain... ?

LOL.

NOBODY IS GOING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THE BASICS OF POKER.

I CAN TELL YOU.

CALL OR 4B/CALL HAVE SIMILAR EXPECTATION DEPENDING ON HOW WELL YOU PLAY POSTFLOP/HAND READ/READ YOU HAVE ON GUY. AFTER THOSE OPTIONS.

SHOVING IS >>>>FOLDING IS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4B/FOLDING. THE FACT YOU THINK 4B/FOLDING IS AN OPTION AND YOU HAVE PACKAGES FOR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN MARKETPLACE MARKED UP 15% IS DISGUSTING AND MAKES ME SICK. AHHHHHH HOW DOES THIS WORLD EXIST. HE SELLS AT MARKUP AND THEN POSTS ON SAME FORUM CONFIRMING HE'S AN IDIOT WITH ZERO CLUE. HOWWWWWWW

IN TRUTH THE 'STANDARD' LINE IN THIS SPOT READLESS WHERE YOU THINK GUY ISN'T GETTING OUT OF LINE IS TO CALL. AND YOU SAY IN THREAD THAT THIS IS SOMETHING YOU NEVER DO. SWEET. SO YOUR MAIN OPTIONS ARE TERRIBLE LINES THAT NOBODY WITH A BRAIN WOULD EVER DO, AND SOMETHING YOU NEVER DO IS THE GOOD PLAY. MAYBE SELL FOR 10K PLHE AT 1.4.

Calling is going to keep his range wider than 4betting which pre ante should fold out basically all of the worse hands he is 3betting with. Sucks being OOP but definitely better than any other options for that reason alone, also your 4b sizing is pretty awful if you're going to go that route.

Since Stealthmunk doesn't seem to want to discuss strategy in a very common spot in online tourneys I'll give some advice. In online tournaments, more so than in live play, I would expect players to be capable of having a wider range of hands here than just QQ+ AK+. Calling is a fine option, as is 4betting, but if you do choose to 4bet you should be aware that many players who do 3bet early are capable of shoving allin with 100bb with hands as weak as JJ and AKo+, thus if you 4b with AK in this hand, it should probably be with the intention of calling an all-in. Because you have AK, the number of combinations of KK and AA that your opponent can have are cut in half, so it's twice as likely he has QQ then AA or KK.

Thanks "munk"??? Through all of the caps, and ridiculousness you actually posted something of value.. I appreciate it.

^ both squee and hoodskier basically hit the nail on the head. to 4b/f here and turn AKo into a bluff 100bb deep pre-ante just doesn't make any sense. online players are wacky so i'd call and try to flop a nice hand and hope he does something silly.

do u care to explain the line you took on subsequent streets tour? seems so punty! <3

Oops I misread it sorry thought we were in ep... but honestly he's an unknown doesn't know anything about us and that's a pretty big 3b imo... if he has an under pair is he gonna pay us off if we bink? A lot of players just flat with <AK JJ and raise big with QQ-AA AKs ... his raise is so big I feel that if we 4b we are committing ourselves for stacks. (Edit: which isn't bad imo ... concur would beif it were live depending on the player ...)

Since i misread it and we are from lp I agree with you folding is too nitty so +1 to calling although I don't like it.

He clicks buttons. He can try to explain it after the fact like Cornell Fiji would do back in the day. But there is enough information itt already to confirm that he thought his hand was pretty enough with a gutshot and a fd, and mike sexton said putting your opponent allin is a bold move.

unreg pre

Thanks Squee...

I try to play as few pots OOP as possible, I guess that is why I personally would never flat in this spot.

If you were trying to play as few pots OOP as possible, you could just shove pre here. You probably pick up a couple BBs in equity, and prevent yourself from making a terrible play on later decisions/streets.