After seeing how he tank/called in this spot, I was wondering if a 4bet to 200k or 185k would be better than shoving? If he calls, then what? Just check/fold? Cbet small/fold flop? These spots I have trouble with, especially the preflop 4bet sizing here. I know my shove looks so much like AK.

Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t6000/t12000 Blinds + t1200 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: t511969 M = 18.55
SB: t997944 M = 36.16
BB: t79578 M = 2.88
UTG: t912908 M = 33.08
UTG+1: t394406 M = 14.29
MP1: t403588 M = 14.62
MP2: t314271 M = 11.39
Hero (CO): t466125 M = 16.89

Pre Flop: (t27600) Hero is CO with A K
4 folds, Hero raises to t28500, BTN raises to t60000, 2 folds, Hero raises to t464925 all in, BTN calls t404925

Flop: (t957450) 4 8 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t957450) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t957450) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Well played

Your bet is a bit of an overshove to his small 3b though it is a standard stack to 4b light. If you are worried about him correctly snapping off 99-TT type hands, try 4 betting to like 150 and shoving any flop. Your position is great for this and it lets him make a mistake. I think jamming 464k is really exploitable and bad since you want to create an illusion of fold equity with your premiums.

Your shove should look like anything in your range.

DISAGREE with everyone saying NH, well played, ul etc
ur question is about bet sizing, and i think urs sucks
its CO vs button and 40 blinds deep, u have AK suited
after u open and get mini 3 bet, this is a great/awesome/ideal spot to mini 4 bet/call
u def have enuf chips and position to make it seem like ur 4 bet/folding which is WAYY superior to just shoving it in
by shoving, he more or less folds all worse hands and calls with flips/betters
GIVE HIM THE CHANCE TO REBLUFF U OR MAKE A BIGGER MISTAKE
DEFINITELY go 101,101/call!!! (if u wanna go a bit more, DONT go anymore than like 150k)
if he flats u, DEF DO NOT CHECK FOLD FLOP
either bet/call or shove or possibly possibly but unlikely bet/fold

what hands is he gonna 5bet shove that he wouldnt be calling a shove with?

i could name so many that im not even gonna begin to try to...

i feel this weird sensation from agreeing one time with dana G

4bet/c 120-150 is far greater than 4bet jamming, he can spaz a multitude of hands wheras when 4bet jamming we only alow him to call off with a range that although we beat we do less well against than the range he will 5bet jam.

i would prolly make it roughly 140 and shove any flop if called

whats your play in this spot with 99-QQ?

thanks man, that is why i posted the hand. i was thinking after the hand that shoving just looks too AKingy and less JJ+ value hands. love the response

thanks man :]

well with 99-QQ, i would probably shove, so i get called lighter, and take the 4bet to 150k with AK, AQ for a stronger line to gain more folds. the villain was 3betting me a decent amount.

have to agree with dana gordon and disco. Everything that calls your shove will also shove over a small 4bet. 4betting small can induce some other hands that were 3betting light to shove as well + you can start 4bet bluffing small this way as well and risk less. Just one example from tonight

Poker Stars $100+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1250/t2500 Blinds + t250 - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: t77533 M = 14.10
SB: t65451 M = 11.90
BB: t110589 M = 20.11
Hero (UTG): t130630 M = 23.75
UTG+1: t37098 M = 6.75
MP: t66973 M = 12.18
CO: t103400 M = 18.80

Pre Flop: (t5500) Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to t5895, 2 folds, CO raises to t13000, 3 folds, Hero raises to t24895, CO raises to t103150 all in, Hero calls t78255

Flop: (t211800) 3 3 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t211800) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t211800) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t211800
Hero shows K A (three of a kind, Threes)
CO shows 9 J (three of a kind, Threes - lower kicker)
Hero wins t211800

Why do I feel like you're the skinnier version of Kevmath, just better at poker ?

Also: paragraphs Well put and def. agree with the whole wall of text above

Yeah basically just do whatever you would do with your whole four-bet range. I think having that whole range be min-four bets enables you to widen it and have more flexibility, as well as inducing spew more often. If you would jam QQ+ here as well, then go ahead and do that. But I think min-four betting the whole range is superior with these stacks.

Interestingly enough the OP seems to think that a small 4 bet would accurately rep a big pair better and get hands like 9s and Ts to fold and that jamming "looks too much like AK". I agree with a small 4 bet as well, but not because I'm ever expecting 9s and Ts to fold but because I think, as has already been said, that there is a higher chance of spaz with worse. Regarding what to do when villain just calls the 4 bet, you have a psb behind - jammo all boards.

Nope, disagree with bparis and ape

U need not have ur whole range here be mini 4 bet or whatever, u can def alter it up
Eg - if u had 22 here and u opened n got 3bet, shoving is way better than mini 4 bet fold or call...

Also, if u mini 4 bet ur ak here, u don't have to jammo all boards
Sure, that will be profitable and fine way to play that hand
ie, u can't go wrong with jam any flop
But that's not optimal
Eg - flop is qjt or ak8, etc, ur def way better off checking or bettin tiny to induce rather than jam

eh I was simplifying... I almost typed jammo all boards except for the ones you hit but then that seemed like an oversimplification too.

haha word figured