Did i mess this up by raising the flop? Am I turning my hand into a bluff or sorts?

Full Tilt Poker Game #5860087350: $33,000 Guarantee (1r+1a) (43913534), Table 5 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:47:10 ET - 2008/03/31
Seat 1: OrangeBoy (9,495)
Seat 2: MTT43 (5,260)
Seat 3: MclovinLovin (7,966)
Seat 4: The Universe112 (15,135)
Seat 5: cvcvcv (8,805)
Seat 6: GhettoFabolous (7,980)
Seat 7: philtherabbi (12,044)
Seat 8: Xtremeshock (4,491)
Seat 9: mordan (6,425)
MclovinLovin posts the small blind of 40
The Universe112 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Universe112 [Ad Kh]
cvcvcv folds
GhettoFabolous folds
philtherabbi has 15 seconds left to act
philtherabbi raises to 240
Xtremeshock folds
mordan folds
OrangeBoy folds
MTT43 folds
MclovinLovin folds
The Universe112 calls 160
*** FLOP *** [5c Jd Kd]
The Universe112 checks
philtherabbi has 15 seconds left to act
philtherabbi bets 320
The Universe112 raises to 1,040
philtherabbi has 15 seconds left to act
philtherabbi raises to 11,804, and is all in
The Universe112 has 15 seconds left to act
The Universe112 has requested TIME
The Universe112

ohhh i dont think youre turning your hand into a bluff by raising the flop. im assuming this is a random? i definitely think he can call flop with worse.

as to whether to call... i think it's close, i definitely think that a lot of better made hands aren't going to make that huge overbet shove and this can definitely be a draw. the only thing that bugs me is we have the Ad. id call for sure if we had the Ac... with the Ad it's close, but it might still be a call.

You dont think this looks like AA a ton?

im scared














that we're behind

RR preflop. If called then c/c or b/f....not sure which one. Most likely b/f.

i don't like your preflop call why play AK oop re raise it.

Yeah it's not like the flop texture will matter at all.

What's beating you here? Pocket aces, two pair, or a set; that's all. Almost nobody jams a set like that, and he isn't likely to raise from EP with K5. The hands you're afraid of are AA and KJ.

What hands might he hold that have you beat? It's tough to put him on two diamonds, as you say, because you have the Ad and the best possible two-diamond hand he could have is Qd-Td, which looks a little weak for his preflop raise. Could he make that play with KQ? QQ? AJ? Pure bluff? And you could be in against another big slick.

On balance, I suspect he does have the aces or KJ. I think I'd call, but I'm not a great poker player; certainly you can fold and have plenty of chips left.

And I agree that my play preflop would have been raise to about 700, and if he reraises, then throw the AK away and look for a better spot.

I don't understand flatting pre and then donking the flop. I'm happy enough flatting pre but then I wouldn't donk. If I do lead this flop, it's not to fold, but the value in pf is surely in flopping TPTK when we clearly can't have TPTK because we flatted pre and then playing it like a donk with a broadway gutshot or A7d.

Fold & i play it the same

He check-raised the flop.

My bad, thanks.

Don't CR the flop

ok so you think c/c is the best line? I definitely think that he'll call with KQ KT here and i can safely bet fold the turn. It would seem that so long as i dont get raised that I have the best hand.

The reason we flat pre here is because when we repop pre, a large majority of the hands that will pay us off post are getting folded out (AJ/AQ at times/KQ/etc).

I c/c flop reevaluate turn. As played I think it's close, but a fold.

He will flat your CR with big hands sometimes, but that's not the issue. The problem is that when you do get reraised on this drawy board this deep, it sucks.

i'd fold

i would be more inclined to call b/c i have the ace of diamonds.....

The extra equity from the back door doesn't make up for the fact that he's way less likely to be raising a draw, with KdJd out.

c/c flop and leading turn will get more value from worse kings than cr flop imo and is probably how i would play it. as played, looks like a fold bc youre most likely chopping at best, and even when youre ahead its not by much bc he has combo draws.

i think a large part of his range is AA and AK. its hard for me to put him on diamonds like others have noted because it pretty much has to be QdTd and we don't love racing that hand for these stacks i don't think.

Definitely without the ace of diamonds i am way more likely to call.

Honestly, glancing it over again, it looks like he has a big hand--I'm guessing two pair with KJ, rockets, or AK--and just wants to take the pot now without showing his hand; he doesn't want to worry about the diamonds.

I've always thought this reasoning was really thin. It's really a hell of a parlay for it to be correct.

1. He has to have AJ/AQ, his range is usually much wider
2. He has to fold it to a 3 bet
3. We have to both hit top pair (with him not hitting 2 pair), which will happen 1/9 times
4. He has to stack off with top pair
5. We have to profitably stack off with top pair

If he is stacking off with top pair in a single raised pot, then he is likely calling a 3 bet pre with AQ-AJ, so 2 and 4 are somewhat exclusive.

5 is pretty tough, since we can only stack off profitably vs. AJ,AQ and good draws.

We end up check-folding the best hand a lot on the flop, and we don't have the chance of winning it preflop either.