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AKs v tight fish at borgata 1k AKs v tight fish at borgata 1k

09-08-2013 , 12:10 AM
borgata 1k, small field, all players at table fall on the spectrum between bad regs and mediocre regs. 20k ss.

blinds 300/600 75 ante, 9 handed

villain is black and in 30s, playing pretty tight and passive, hasn't raised much pf, he has 3b maybe once a big size and got folds. has rebought today and managed to get the same seat, doubled up shortly after rebuying AK > 88 aipf. have not seen villain choose this size pf before. he doesn't seem to feel comfortable putting much in without a very strong hand, both pre and post, has agonized many times and folded each time.

eff stacks 26k villain covers. we look down at AKdd

villain utg+2 opens 1700, hero co flat. blinds fold.

flop 48Txxd

villain bet 3k, hero flat.

turn Tx

villain chk, hero?

looking for advice all streets appreciated, thanks in advance
09-08-2013 , 12:33 AM
I do not like preflop at all

check turn
09-08-2013 , 05:12 AM
jam pre?
09-08-2013 , 05:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by td333dzul
jam pre?
Yup, just jam 43 bigs to a open. Makes sense.

I like the flat pre. Chk behind on turn
09-08-2013 , 05:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyTrejo
Yup, just jam 43 bigs to a open. Makes sense.

I like the flat pre. Chk behind on turn
33 bigs pre, standard 10x overshove?
09-08-2013 , 01:25 PM
You've played this hand about as meekly as possible lol I can understand flatting pre to disguise the strength of your hand but you're not really deep enough to do a whole lot post flop. You could 3 bet p flop to induce him to shove or commit more money in the pot being OOP. Then you can either win it with a bet on the flop if he checks to you or even just shut down and take a free card. With the line you took if you're gonna float the flop with nothing you have to have a plan for future steaks even if you miss your hand. Your opponent reps really thin on that board so he's either giving up completely or has a hand that probably can't withstand a lot of pressure.
09-08-2013 , 03:27 PM
I like pre and I bet the turn. Come at me bros.
09-08-2013 , 04:05 PM
sometimes i woud 3bet pre sometimes flat. as played bet turn, jam most rivers
09-08-2013 , 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
I like pre and I bet the turn. Come at me bros.
pre is terrible because he might fold a million pairs we are ahead of and opens very few dominated hands

and on the turn he's prob never calling worse and checks the same million pairs to call bc he is scared of trip tens

this is why I would like to fold them out pre
09-08-2013 , 08:03 PM
Dunno why you wouldn't three a villain like this pre... Sounds like you're one of the standard players at table
09-08-2013 , 09:49 PM
Def 3bet pf, as played bet turn, and maybe shove river.
09-08-2013 , 11:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by watevs
pre is terrible because he might fold a million pairs we are ahead of and opens very few dominated hands

and on the turn he's prob never calling worse and checks the same million pairs to call bc he is scared of trip tens

this is why I would like to fold them out pre
This is why I would like to fold them out by the river

I'm not sure if I agree this player isn't opening many dominated hands. Even if he isn't opening that much off-suit Ax and Kx, he's also opening fairly snugly in general. We didn't see any information given about how much he's limping but I'd guess dominated hands still make up a decent % of his whole opening range. If we give him like KQo, AQo, AJs ATs and KJs, and 66-AA, and maybe JTs JQs as some unpaired but not dominated hands, he still has 37% dominated hands.

Last edited by NeverScaredB; 09-08-2013 at 11:36 PM.
09-08-2013 , 11:31 PM
its easier my way

drop a brick on the river and he's not folding that often imo
09-09-2013 , 12:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by watevs
its easier my way

drop a brick on the river and he's not folding that often imo
Easier /= better, but you knew that already.

I don't have a lot of experience with this kind of fish, if he's never folding tens up on the river then of course check the turn.

You might be right but I am a big fan of flatting the ace king when our opponents are not getting more chips in with AQo, especially when the 37% number doesn't even factor in other players that could also call with hands with an ace or a king in them. **** chipping up I wanna stack bitches.
09-09-2013 , 12:25 AM
AQ might be the only worse ace he's even opening from this position, and the parlay of fully stacking on him on ace high happens infrequently. he calls and c/f some nonzero percent of the time as well.
09-09-2013 , 01:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by watevs
AQ might be the only worse ace he's even opening from this position, and the parlay of fully stacking on him on ace high happens infrequently. he calls and c/f some nonzero percent of the time as well.
Right, but what about players behind us?

It also seems like the more we're not stacking AQ, the better betting turn emptying the clip when the T pairs becomes. Surely the frequency he folds top pair good kicker and the frequency he folds tens' up are correlated. Unless there is some special live fish nonsense that happens on A-high boards that I don't know about.

EDIT

This is the first time at any point in this discussion that I realized you were not Bakes.
09-09-2013 , 01:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverScaredB
Right, but what about players behind us?

It also seems like the more we're not stacking AQ, the better betting turn emptying the clip when the T pairs becomes. Surely the frequency he folds top pair good kicker and the frequency he folds tens' up are correlated. Unless there is some special live fish nonsense that happens on A-high boards that I don't know about.

EDIT

This is the first time at any point in this discussion that I realized you were not Bakes.
actually he is bakes on a gimmick
09-09-2013 , 07:04 AM
Why would you float not to bet turn.

Hint: obv if he calls you need to hit a king or ace to call or bet river
09-10-2013 , 10:30 PM
thanks for all responses. in game I did choose to bet the turn, and rather than b/turn jam river I decided to bet large on the turn (~8k) with the plan of giving up unimproved. this line I now realize is a mistake most of the time. as for results villain did take some time with it but eventually folded. based on his timing I would imagine he most likely folded 99 or JJ.

      
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