AK vs crazy aggressive player in wcoop 42 - Page 3 - High Stakes MTT Strategy

You threebet a little too big, but three bet is the play. When a random guy makes a large three bet of his UTG raise Boosted will assume he has the blade, which is why his 4bet is so large. Fold.

09-25-2010 , 04:21 PM

#53

mattwut1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudge714

You threebet a little too big, but three bet is the play. When a random guy makes a large three bet of his UTG raise Boosted will assume he has the blade, which is why his 4bet is so large. Fold.

this imo

09-25-2010 , 04:23 PM

#54

Todd Terry

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There was a caller in between, IDK if you guys saw that. The 3bet wasn't big.

09-25-2010 , 07:20 PM

#55

skydiveoslo

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sry guys for not giving much info but after crappy sunday and being sick this week i kinda forgot about this.

and now cant really remember
as u can see the blinds are like 2nd level or something = dont have much read on guy at all other that he been playin really weird. i just wanted to see some opinions on the hand

09-25-2010 , 07:31 PM

#56

SNGplayer24

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easy fold - your 3 bet sizing is huge, his 4ball sizing is crushing........absurd some people in here think you shouldnt 3b pre

09-26-2010 , 03:24 AM

#57

Soepgroente

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lol @ ppl saying 3bet is big, we're raising 11bb of 200bb stacks, if anything it's on the small side. I'd reraise this size without the caller, with the caller I'd make it a little bigger even.

09-26-2010 , 03:49 AM

#58

wazz

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if we want to have a 3betting for value range, it needs to be quite tight as when 4bet we're going to be behind a lot and he's generally gonna have a good hand when he calls your 3bet; 3betting AK and JJ or even QQ isn't generally a good idea because we're faced with tough decisions, so the choice is between having a range of KK+ with the occasional bluff, or just not 3betting any range, which offers us deception, allows for a squeeze behind us, and protects the weaker portion of our flatting range.

Cliffs: balancing what should be a narrow value range is not easy, and flatting offers other benefits.

09-26-2010 , 03:54 AM

#59

caddymix024

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wazz

this x 1million

09-26-2010 , 09:44 AM

#60

betgo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wazz

I don't see why you shouldn't atleast 3-bet AA/KK most of the time and balance it with some bluffs. Agree you should usually flat AK/QQ/JJ, and this is a really bad situation to 3-bet AK.

Think bluff 3-betting is generally profitable and 3-betting AA/KK is also more profitable than flatting if your range is balanced, so don't see what is so hard about it. Also, you 3-bet QQ/JJ/AK against a late position raise. You could also 3-bet a mid pocket pair sometimes if you play carefully if you miss your set.

09-26-2010 , 11:00 AM

#61

PhatPots

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I play this hand just like the OP did (assuming he folded)

09-26-2010 , 12:01 PM

#62

FearToxin90

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Quote:

Originally Posted by betgo

1 bluffing Utg raises is not fun with their range so strong. So avvoiding it alltogether is nice.
2. It's super hard to balance Aa Kk 200bbs deep with such anarrow range. We need to balance postflop even more than pre. We risk problems when overpair is top of our range on a coordinated board but our opponent caan rep lots of hands that hit.

09-26-2010 , 12:29 PM

#63

betgo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FearToxin90

So you balance AA/KK with T9s and such. What's the problem?

09-26-2010 , 01:54 PM

#64

wazz

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how often are you in practice 3betting an utg raise from a tough player early and deep with T9s?

09-26-2010 , 02:02 PM

#65

betgo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wazz

how often are you in practice 3betting an utg raise from a tough player early and deep with T9s?

Not saying 3-bet an UTG raise from a tough player, but in general, you can 3-bet with a big pair or suited connector at this stage.

09-26-2010 , 07:15 PM

#66

FearToxin90

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Quote:

Originally Posted by betgo

Not saying 3-bet an UTG raise from a tough player, but in general, you can 3-bet with a big pair or suited connector at this stage.

Wasting T9s. It's so profitable to call IP 200bbs deep why would you waste it to balance. And getting value with a narrow range is a ***** postflop vs a good player. You can 3bet AA if they let you get away with it and probabally could here. If you want to balance you just can't do it vs a UTG range and be balanced both pre and post.

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