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AK vs crazy aggressive player in wcoop 42 AK vs crazy aggressive player in wcoop 42

09-19-2010 , 06:34 PM
guy is sick agressive and plays really weird

PokerStars Game #49871148976: Tournament #2010090042, $1000+$50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (30/60) - 2010/09/20 0:06:57 CET [2010/09/19 18:06:57 ET]
Table '2010090042 255' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Matt238 (14335 in chips)
Seat 2: THE_ALPACA (15000 in chips)
Seat 3: Boosted J (16740 in chips)
Seat 4: serbie (15783 in chips)
Seat 5: I_h8_p0ker (15900 in chips)
Seat 6: Joeluke18 (15000 in chips)
Seat 7: skydiveoslo (11930 in chips)
Seat 8: AmsterdamV88 (12755 in chips)
Seat 9: gomir (14080 in chips)
Matt238: posts small blind 30
THE_ALPACA: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to skydiveoslo [Ad Kc]
Boosted J: raises 120 to 180
serbie: calls 180
I_h8_p0ker: folds
Joeluke18: folds
skydiveoslo: raises 495 to 675
AmsterdamV88: folds
gomir: folds
Matt238: folds
THE_ALPACA: folds
Boosted J: raises 1665 to 2340
serbie: folds
skydiveoslo:
09-19-2010 , 11:13 PM
3betting here is really bad imo
09-20-2010 , 12:16 AM
Justin has squadoosh here IMO.
09-20-2010 , 02:56 AM
Flat pre. Fold now. And please elaborate on why he has air here. This is the second level.
09-20-2010 , 05:15 AM
flat pre
fold now

too deep to three bet AK pre here
09-20-2010 , 06:46 AM
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3betting here is really bad imo
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Flat pre. Fold now.
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too deep to three bet AK pre here
???

Why not 3-bet here? Why would you want to play this 3/4/5 way?
09-20-2010 , 07:01 AM
you should be flatting pretty much your entire range this deep
09-20-2010 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by caddymix024
you should be flatting pretty much your entire range this deep
because ...
09-20-2010 , 11:53 AM
the question is why do u want to turn AK into a bluff by 3betting 200bb deep an utg raiser pre flop? I would rahter 3bet 27s than ak here
09-20-2010 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Debilne_ucho
the question is why do u want to turn AK into a bluff by 3betting 200bb deep an utg raiser pre flop? I would rahter 3bet 27s than ak here
Its not a bluff, its a legit hand. This deep an average player UTG could have say 77+, AJs+, AQ+. Many players would also raise with any pair and a bunch of SCs such as 9Ts. The caller could have a wide range. Our hand is worth raising to (1) iso, (2) gain info on hand strength and (3) take the initiative. If UTG 4-bets as here then we should usually fold, having most likely saved ourselves chips compared to flatting and calling down a board with an A or K.

I don't understand why everyone itt is saying don't 3-bet but nobody will explain why.
09-20-2010 , 01:02 PM
Its not a bluff, its a legit hand. But if he 4bets i fold- okay your post makes sense. Now can u explain me the difference between a 3bet with ak and 27o int this spot? u 3bet/fold both...if u dont want to stack off pre flop with ak u cant 3bet it is ABC
09-20-2010 , 01:31 PM
you fold out everything your ahead of by 3betting, and leave your self liable to be 4bet bluffed also and now you must fold you equity share.

i agree with the guy who said 3betting 72s is better than 3betting AK is not entirely right because you CAN acually have AK part of a bluff range since yourve got AA-KK blockers.

but, i dont think id ever 3bet AK here because its a waste of a prem hand.
09-20-2010 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by shillystar
you fold out everything your ahead of by 3betting, and leave your self liable to be 4bet bluffed also and now you must fold you equity share.

i agree with the guy who said 3betting 72s is better than 3betting AK is not entirely right because you CAN acually have AK part of a bluff range since yourve got AA-KK blockers.

but, i dont think id ever 3bet AK here because its a waste of a prem hand.
they are 250bb deep and you feel like 3 betting folds out everything worse then AK. I def feel like alot of players would continue with a pretty wide range here this deep stacked vs a polarized range!!
09-20-2010 , 02:29 PM
i think when they call here OOP theyre hand range is quite obviously weighted towards pocket pairs which are calling to set mine. and if missed the flop they are likely to c/f.

i think if they call and you hav AK, they fold a ton of flops obv including A and K high flops unless they flop set. if i were to cb a K or A flop and they flat or raise, I dont think my hand is looking tooo flash anymore..

so if you were to 3bet with 72s, you couldnt really give a F*** what the flop is(most times) cos the plan is to cbet and take it dow. however, I dont think id ever take that line thi early and deep. this is just for arguments sake.

and sure your range appears to be polarized, but i definately think its heavily weighted towards a value range.

also im on the side where i think you should be folding JJ faceing the 3bet OOP(in the given positions). dam set miners in 3bet pots, piss me off..
09-20-2010 , 02:39 PM
3betting pre is fine lol. reads on op would help...
09-20-2010 , 02:43 PM
3betting is good pre here and i'd like to 3bet lots of hands in this spot. I call now bc we're ahead a lot and have position and getting it in sucks
09-20-2010 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by donkey_king
3betting pre is fine lol. reads on op would help...
pretty sure boosted j is a sick hs cash player and op is a tag mtt reg
09-20-2010 , 02:53 PM
Make it a little bigger pre and fold now.
09-20-2010 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ndahlhoff10
pretty sure boosted j is a sick hs cash player and op is a tag mtt reg
I know who boosted is. I meant what reads does boosted have on op.
09-20-2010 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by smokrokflock
Make it a little bigger pre and fold now.
This, and saying 3-betting 72s is better than AKo is a pretty brutal mis-application of concepts.
09-20-2010 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ndahlhoff10
pretty sure boosted j is a sick hs cash player and op is a tag mtt reg
lol nope
09-21-2010 , 01:45 AM
would help also if we knew whether flatter has been flatting a lot, if he has and we have 3bet plenty then 3betting is fine, if we havent 3bet much and flatter is a virgin flatter then 3betting is less good/bad.... i lol at people in this thread saying how 3betting can be good or bad based on pretty much the info we have(not much).....

from op, we have no history no reads, nothing...... just "i haz 3bet ak and bin 4bet by a sicko utg wug thoughts, but i aint gnna tell u anything else"
09-21-2010 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by smokrokflock
Make it a little bigger pre and fold now.
Spot on.
09-21-2010 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Debilne_ucho
Its not a bluff, its a legit hand. But if he 4bets i fold- okay your post makes sense. Now can u explain me the difference between a 3bet with ak and 27o int this spot? u 3bet/fold both...if u dont want to stack off pre flop with ak u cant 3bet it is ABC
You really can't see the difference?
09-21-2010 , 04:38 AM
i really cant see the difference

      
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