First hand I'm the hero in the SB. 25 min into the tourney.

UTG raises to 250, folded to hero in SB with KK
SB raises to 750
BB folds
UTG calls (puts a big chip in though- looked like he may have wanted to raise)

Flop: 7-5-3 with 2 clubs

Before hero can act, UTG bets 2000 out of turn.
Dealer corrects him.
SB checks
UTG bets 2000

Hero ???????

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John Juanda raises to 175 in LP
BB calls

Flop: 567

BB bets 300
JJ makes it 800
BB makes it 3500
JJ goes all in for 14,000

Range for JJ??? Calling range for BB????

stack sizes

Also, in hand 1, what was the denomination of the oversized chip he threw out, 5000?

Sorry.

Assume starting stacks for all hands and all players. (15K)

The overchip was a 1K pink chip, but he left some 100's out there also- it was close to being a raise amount, and I just wasnt' sure what he really wanted to do.

I'd make it 5k and call a shove. I mean, you lose to aces, that's pretty much it. It's hard to see him having 77, 55, 33. I guess he could also have AKcc or AQcc. Anyways, I'm looking to get all in and if he has aces I'd just be happy it was a 7500 buyin instead of a 10k buyin.

I usually don't like range posts, but JJ has a huge hand. I'd say minimum is 78ss. More than likely though, it's a set, 67, or 89.

If I were BB, I would fold bottom 2, but call with 78ss, any set, any straight. I fold a naked flush draw, but may call with A7ss, I dunno.

OK, yeah, this seems standard, and I don't think I'm gonna hear anything different.

Hero raises to 6000
UTG calls.

Turn: Offsuit Q


Push?
Check-call?
Check-fold?

That call seems kind of odd to me. Looks more and more like AK or AQ of clubs. I'm shoving and hoping he calls getting a bad price. Obviously the desired result is that he folds and we take down 14k without a showdown. Anyways, just about all the time we have 2 outs, right?

Reads make a huge difference in both hands.

Is BB in hand 2 the special kind of fish that can 3 bet his 99-QQ and then look like a deer in headlights when he gets four balled? If so then I guess A8ss could be a shove for JJ. If not then 67 is a fold to the 3500 raise. I am unsure of what I do with 34hh in either of their shoes. If I am the BB I am never 3-bet-folding (unless I have total air which is pretty much never... yea yea exploit me)

lol JJ never has 67. I think he has 89 or a huge draw here almost always actually. And usualyl 89. I actually think his range is almost all... 89.

hand 1- im playing big here. only hand you could really put him on here that would beat you is AA right? cant make that assumption. whos gonna have 5s and call the big reraise. could have QQ JJ 1010 even here.

Hand 1: I think a big bet out of turn is generally a huge hand. I'd check/call the flop, check/fold the turn. As played, the only hand he could possibly show up with that you were ahead of on the flop is QQ, which just passed you on the turn. So check/fold the turn. I just don't see anyone ever overbetting the pot out of turn on the flop with AKcc or AQcc here.

But any more information on the Villain might be useful. For example, he 5x'ed it UTG preflop, has he opened any other pots for a raise, is 5x bigger than his other raises, does he seem to be a pro, all sorts of stuff like that.

Hand 2: Unless John has some sort of sick read on the other player, this has to be the nuts, with a very small chance of 77. So I'd fold all sets and lower straights, and would tank for as long as I could if I had 98 without any spades in my hand. 98s without a spade is in better shape than 98o without a spade if we assume John is suited:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,980 games 0.005 secs 396,000 games/sec

Board: 7c 6s 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.909% 00.00% 40.91% 0 810.00 { 9d8c }
Hand 1: 59.091% 18.18% 40.91% 360 810.00 { 98s }


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2,970 games 0.005 secs 594,000 games/sec

Board: 7c 6s 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.182% 00.00% 43.18% 0 1282.50 { 9d8d }
Hand 1: 56.818% 13.64% 43.18% 405 1282.50 { 98s }


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The BB has made the out loud embarrassing statement to me about what a bad table we are at with all these great players blah blah blah. TJ responded something like "Yeah, but aren't you an internet pro?" lol.

As an observer in the hand, I found it fascinating what people would attempt to do, both a pro and perhaps a "gambling fish" to both establish an image and, obviously, gain chips early on in a big tourney.

Widen your ranges folks, widen your ranges.

I don't know the villain. This was the first pot he entered. No one else has made it 5x. He snap-called my flop reraise.

Now for you Dr. Suess fans- Imagine all the little people in Horton Hears a Who land banging on their drums and screaming "we are here, we are here, we are here". Now imagine that these little people are actually tiny little playing cards with big "A"s on their chests.

When the turn hit I heard them loud and clear.

I don't think I could have check-called the flop and then check-folded the turn. After he snap-called my flop reraise it seemed pretty easy.

My understanding is that JJ can be extremely aggro, esp in LP/Blind battles (and I was thinking this before your "widen your range" post). Depending on the BB's image, JJ could certainly have interpreted BB's bet/3-bet as just bullying on a scary board.

My thought is that it's very possible for JJ to have a naked FD, 8x, 87, or an overpair. He could even have air (2 overcards). BB could have the same types of hands, including air, but obv he doesn't call the shove unless he has something strong (12 outer or better?).

OK, Juanda pushes with 9T

BB calls the push with 45o (no spade I think)

Juanda has 18 outs twice I think, hits a 9 on the turn and then a 4 comes on the river giving BB two pair and ending JJ's day early.

I suppose I like the push, but I don't see how JJ can really think any of his outs could always be good except for the non-spade gutshot. He's relying on his image huge here.

BB must be a better player than I am, because there is no chance I would think that bottom pair/OESD is good here against JJ's push. I would think I'm up against a set at the best, and a made str8 with a spade redraw at worst.

Sick call.

That has to be one of the craziest hands in the history of the WPT, they were 300 BBs deep in level 1 ffs.

I think wanting to do all the loot 300BBs deep postflop in one BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OVERPAIR is really bad. But I'm a nit so whatever.

EDIT: I'm sorry if the above seems a but abrupt, and obviously the opinion of Gavin should be well heeded given his excellent record. I just think that it will be rare if you get that action from an unknown in the first level of big buyin tournament and see much other than AA. And on the turn we have just been dogged by QQ. Plus taking a really strong flop line is going to further reduce the possibillity that he is out of line.

Sorry for coming across as smart.

It's been suggested to me that the villain NEVER has AA after the flop, because when I C-R, everyone (pro and fish) is going to want to get it all in there. ???????

Um, well, if he had hands like AKcc AQcc JJ 1010 I would be surprised if he makes the big bet out of turn and then snap calls the reraise. Certaintly I think if you are good on that flop it's more likely that it's against QQ or JJ that have hit a good flop and are like "**** you I'm not folding an overpair" rather than overs and the draw.

In any case, you don't get bluffed on the turn much, if ever. If you check it to him he's going to check behind JJ or 1010 and take the free card with AKcc. Cause who wants to risk their tournament life in the first level WITHOUT A MADE HAND!!??!!

A bet from him is like AA, AQ or QQ with a significant weighting towards the pairs. So I'd be checkfolding personally.

On the flop, if Villain has AA, 4 hands are beating him: 77, 55, 33 and 64. Since Villain raised 5x from UTG in the first pot he's played all day and you 3bet from out of the blinds, from his perspective there's no chance you have any of those hands. So he knows AA is the best hand on the flop. That being said, I don't think that it necessarily follows that he would shove over your c/r, since that could easily make you fold KK (which is a big part of your range, the rest being AKcc I think, which he can eliminate if he has the A of clubs), whereas if he just calls he confuses you.

OK, after checking out some weblogs of the event, villain is Charles Stickerod. Can't find any results. Seems he busted Kathy Liebert AA>JJ. Got to day 2 with a tiny stack. Probably likes to play about 1 hand.

Get it in on the flop....idk if some of you know the villan in hand one but he seems like a clown so lets make it like 7500 and call a shove...I would attempt to make it certain on the flop that youre committed to the pot. I dont think many live players can fold QQ on this board. I know the raise size is a little excessive but it helps so much in defining the opponents hand and it also gets the most value from the few hands we beat that might pay us.

It really looks like AA or QQ and as of the turn its now a must fold IMO. It could also be the other two KK...I don't think its worth risking here. I'd fold, and I'm normally not this scared of AA when I hold KK but that eager out of turn flop bet seems like a monster.