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08-24-2009 , 10:23 PM

Cre8ive

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Full Tilt Poker $1K Monday No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t40/t80 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): t6875 M = 57.29
SB: t3997 M = 33.31
BB: t5395 M = 44.96
UTG: t5435 M = 45.29
UTG+1: t4175 M = 34.79
UTG+2: t9390 M = 78.25
MP1: t4625 M = 38.54
MP2: t5375 M = 44.79
CO: t3925 M = 32.71

Pre Flop: (t120) Hero is BTN with J

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t240, 4 folds, Hero calls t240, 2 folds

Flop: (t600) 6

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets t320, Hero calls t320

Turn: (t1240) 3

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets t3615 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero

What do you guys do? No real history, been at same table for first hour and a half.

Would he ever make this bet with QQ/KK/AA or does this strictly look like drawish hand/A4ss/AKss/AQss?

08-24-2009 , 10:43 PM

homanga

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Stove it, but honestly I don't think you have any choice but to fold.

08-24-2009 , 10:56 PM

CompleteDonk

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That's a pretty absurd shove and isn't good with like any hand I don't think. I'd probably click call because he can show up with random hands and I don't think you'll see AA that often at all, same with KK probably.

08-24-2009 , 11:01 PM

Chimp__greg

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CompleteDonk

Yup. Wouldn't be surprised at whatever he turns up with though.

08-24-2009 , 11:03 PM

Cre8ive

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I felt the same, but we're still getting a horrible price. Does it really come down to this?

17,664,724 games 7.890 secs 2,238,875 games/sec

Board: 6c 6h 2s 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.192% 28.29% 00.00% 4996638 0.00 { AsKs, AsQs, AsTs, As5s, As4s }
Hand 1: 71.808% 72.05% 00.00% 12727453 0.00 { JdJh }

08-24-2009 , 11:06 PM

CompleteDonk

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I wouldn't totally take QQ-AA out of his range, I'd probably discount AA/KK and leave QQ in. Maybe TT too?

08-24-2009 , 11:10 PM

Cre8ive

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Nah I can't imagine this guy shoving AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT here.. I mean whats the point from his perspective to do that?

08-24-2009 , 11:13 PM

CompleteDonk

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Then why wouldn't you snap here if you don't think he's jamming any hand you don't have beat?

08-24-2009 , 11:16 PM

Cre8ive

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True... cause at the time I thought those were in his range and I didn't have enough time to think about it.

So, do people think AA/KK/QQ/TT/JJ is in his range? I wasn't sure at the time, but now that I look back on it I don't think they are. He literally has to have like KK and put me on QQ/JJ or have AA and put me on KK/QQ/JJ or hes just losing all his value. I really can't understand why he would shove those hands here, but at the time during the hand I thought he might.

08-24-2009 , 11:19 PM

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CompleteDonk

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If he's bad enough to make this shove OTT he's probably bad enough to have some of those hands in his range.

08-24-2009 , 11:28 PM

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Cre8ive

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So, this you think is more accurate?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

258,715,813 games 128.641 secs 2,011,145 games/sec

Board: 6c 6h 2s 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.270% 61.66% 01.61% 159513391 4175723.50 { TT+, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As5s, As4s }
Hand 1: 36.730% 35.12% 01.61% 90851458 4175723.50 { JdJh }

08-24-2009 , 11:31 PM

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CompleteDonk

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I'd discount AA/KK a little bit probably. I'm honestly not 100% sure about his range I just think you're ahead of it and I click call.

08-24-2009 , 11:34 PM

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Cre8ive

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I'm not saying I didn't call. I'm just curious what everyone thinks his range is. I could have been severely outplayed lol.

08-25-2009 , 07:15 AM

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PokerThun

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I'm also not sure like you why the hell did he made that bet. QQ/KK/AA overbet on the turn does not make sense for me. I would call...

I also would like to hear what TT thinks here

08-25-2009 , 04:27 PM

#15

Cre8ive

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I might of made a horrible call, I don't know. I want to see hear more opinions.

08-25-2009 , 04:33 PM

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homanga

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cre8ive

i think this is a much more reasonable range than the other.

08-25-2009 , 04:38 PM

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Clayton

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its a pretty miserable shove, but its less miserable if you called with JJ here

08-25-2009 , 06:49 PM

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Cre8ive

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clayton

its a pretty miserable shove, but its less miserable if you called with JJ here

I agree. I thought his shove was pretty bad regardless of his hand, but still it put me in a weird spot.

08-25-2009 , 06:53 PM

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ebet33

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.270% 61.66% 01.61% 159513391 4175723.50 { TT+, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As5s, As4s }
Hand 1: 36.730% 35.12% 01.61% 90851458 4175723.50 { JdJh }

yea....this seems liek a better range.
im calling here. its not impossible for him to have a bigger pair. but this bet seems to say fold rather than call. imo. im guessing ace/paint suited.

08-26-2009 , 08:41 AM

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TSS

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what about he did it to completely mess up your brain?if you called with JJ i guess he got max value with his AA..maybe he has a read on you even if you dont have a read on him...

08-26-2009 , 09:05 PM

#21

br3nt00

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id fold this and QQ as well. KK id call AA id call

08-27-2009 , 01:09 AM

#22

kochchicago

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1. draw heavy shove 2. under pair shove trying to get you off what you have

i think this way about a random player with little info 90% of the time.
its online pker anyway

08-27-2009 , 01:14 AM

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Scary_Tiger

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Think this is more likely a big pair trying to level you into calling than a flush draw that wanted more fold equity than it could get with 800 on the turn.

08-27-2009 , 12:16 PM

#24

paz5050

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger

Think this is more likely a big pair trying to level you into calling than a flush draw that wanted more fold equity than it could get with 800 on the turn.

I dont play 1k's but this is what i was thinking as well. seems like he's trying to stack just about your exact hand. maybe he thinks you'll fold to the third barrell so is just trying to get you in right here. noone has mentioned 22 and 33..are these out of his range as well, is he not opening these on 50bets in ep in a 1k? these fit the line of trying to stack large overpair as well?

Last edited by paz5050; 08-27-2009 at 12:17 PM. Reason: can we get results too?

08-27-2009 , 03:11 PM

#25

JBT449

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This looks like QQ-AA everytime, gonna guess he had AA though... I think I definitely fold here vs allinwithdabest since Ive seen him do this kind of stuff before and he always has it. The turn bet is absurd and he doesnt get out of line like ever pre ante, so we are beating zero.

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