If it's working at that's how like to do it then no worries, keep doing once/week. But as the weeks go on there will be weeks when you gain weight, be prepared emotionally.

I weigh myself every morning and night, luv that variance

I've actually started weighing myself at night too, but it's mostly just to feel better when I learn that I lost two pounds while sleeping

I do the same more or less. Except when I'm dieting, I eat the same thing and do the same thing just about every day, so it's pretty consistent. Especially the mornings.

keep it up!

Thanks again, fellas.

SATURDAY, JUNE 30, 2012

BREAKFAST: veggie omelet in olive oil, but with three THICK bacon slices. 702 Cals.

LUNCH: Brought lunch to work today, huge salad with close to 7 oz of grilled chicken breast. Used a 1.5 oz packet of Ranch, it wasn't enough. 442 Cals

DINNER: Finished off the spaghetti/meatballs/sausage, ended up with one odd sausage link, but I was hungry and skipping the salad course, so I threw that on there as well. 1335 Cals.

SNACK: One banana, 110 Cals.

TOTAL: 2589 Cals, JUST below our target of 2710.

Have you considered having your son keep a food diary? (not to share, for his own education)

Still hanging in there with you ytf. still logging.

ytf,

What are you using to calculate the calories in each meal?

Keep up the good work, YTF!

www.myfitnesspal.com

Yeah, I get to see him in a couple of weeks, I'll show him the whole setup. He likes sports as much as I do, and those food logs ARE a scoreboard. When he sees how many "points" different things are worth, it might get through to him like it got through to me.

You posting those logs yet? And what do you mean "hanging in"? Does it feel like a hardship? Cuz mine sure doesn't, not yet any way.

not posting logs. yet.

I'm not learning anything new nutrition wise. it's just a matter of doing it.
I am getting some results. Less tired. Less pain getting out of bed. pissed out a bunch of water weight.

Cool. Bringing it up as accuracy (precision more IMO) is often cited as a major issue with success/failure (if you "forget" that you added 2 tbsp of butter to multiple meals for example). I noticed you ate the "same" dinner but one had a tablespoon less of ranch but was only 10 cals less. Though I assume you have improved and it seems you're using a site to track.

Good luck.

good luck I'll be following along

Yeah, I'm worried about MyFitnessPal's accuracy with this stuff, too. Yesterday's bacon package said about 70 calories per slice iirc, I punch it into MFP and it comes up 60 calories for ALL THREE SLICES. Some pointed out right away that about 100 calories for three eggs isn't close. For a half-ounce of dressing, I won't sweat it, but for the big things, I'll be sure to keep a watchful eye. Today's breakfast is a good example, the first time I typed it in brought a number that I knew to be off by 50%.

BREAKFAST: Whoops, overslept, no time to make breakfast, gotta hit the drivethru. Two grilled chicken sandwiches from BK, which I know are about 500 cals each. On one, I held the mayo, to try it that way, knowing that trims 100 cals off one of those sandwiches. Yup, that chicken is plenty moist enough that this sandwich doesn't need the mayo, that's how I'll order it on my rare trips here. 830 cals.

LUNCH: Standard salad an chicken breast--no croutons! I need to mix in something different for lunch sometime soon, just for a change. 360 cals.

DINNER: Finished off the teriyaki chicken, broccoli, and carrots in one last teriyaki bowl. It's been nothing but those and spaghetti/meatballs all week, look forward to something new tomorrow. Oh, and I had a small pre-dinner salad, no meat. 786 cals.

TOTAL: 1976 cals, again crushing the target of 2710 by coming in under 2000.

For completeness sake

Hello YTF,

I've always enjoyed your posts and you seem like a genuine nice guy. I wanted to commend you on doing this for yourself, and also being a great role model for your kids. Fantastic progress so far. I read the thread in OOT and am following this one. I'll be rooting for you to keep it up.


I can't offer much advice as far as nutrition, and you're getting a ton of good advice already, so I'm not even going to try. I would like to address your morning ritual of 3 diet cokes though. For a long time I suffered from having to do morning rituals like this in order to get my ass out of bed. A lot of the time it wasn't even so much the need for caffeine, as it was just something I was so used to doing.

Well anyways here is what I would suggest: When you wake up, have your diet coke, and then for breakfast drink whatever your favorite fruit juice is (this will add 100 or so calories to your diet, but I think it's worth it) and then drink your diet coke for breakfast put pour out a sip or so. Maybe after a week or so you'll be down to a diet coke to wake up, a juice for breakfast and only 3/4 a diet coke. Maybe after a month you can get down to 1/2 or 2/3 of the second diet coke. Eventually just try to completely replace the second diet coke with the fruit juice, and start to work on the first diet coke.

Also if you're feeling like you're going to need that third diet coke, bring a banana or orange or something with you on the car ride to work, eat that first, then drink as much of the third diet coke as you need but try to pour out a little when you get there.

I've found that baby steps like this are the best way to defeat unhealthy morning rituals, and it's always the best way to avoid relapse. This is the type of process which helped me, hope you get some use from it. I'll be following along with the entire log, good luck!

Your advice is really bad. I'd suggest www.bodyrecomposition.com and AARR to help you understand why its terrible.

In short: People who suffer from a massive caloric surplus shouldn't be advised to increase caloric consumption with non-sating and macro nutritionally empty foods/beverages.

Check the serving sizes. You can change them around to show what is closest to what you eat.

With your current deficit, this won't matter for months. But no harm in improving accuracy.

Didn't know that bananas and oranges were nutritionally empty, I'll give the site a look.

Can choose another food to try to ween off of the 3 cokes then imo.

Do you understand why suggesting replacing a non-calorie beverage with a calorific beverage or foodstuff is ******ed advice for a 360lb dude?

The fruit was entirely optional and in place of a 3rd diet coke after you replaced two diet cokes with fruit juice.

The point is that diet coke is fine. I know of virtually no one I'd consider educated in nutrition who has qualms with a few diet cokes. And literally no one who would recommend OP stop consuming diet coke to consume more fruit juice. The fact you think he needs to be weened off 3 diet cokes a day is incredibly off base.

Ok, sorry for the derail. Like I said, going through the site now.

I thought the 3 diet cokes to start the day was unhealthy, I didn't realize it wasn't a problem.

Sorry again, best of luck.


Edit: Sure enough, on that site under 9 ways to deal with hunger, under the section 'eat fruit' is this bit:

"Oh yeah, eat whole fruit, stay away from fruit juice."



Sorry again, best of luck.

Well, let's not be vague about the tremendous amount of Diet Coke YTF is consuming. It is usually two but sometimes three 24-ounce Diet Cokes before, during and after breakfast. Not sure whether YTF typically has any others throughout the day in addition to the breakfast routine -- YTF? Bottom line, that's a ****load of Diet Coke.

So yes, Diet Coke has 0 calories, but many people believe consuming large quantities of 0 calorie sugar replacement beverages contributes to a person's overall craving for sweets. I'll ignore the supposed negative effects of carbonation and artificial sweeteners... those concerns are obviously way down the priority list at this point.

Of course you're right that replacing Diet Coke with fruit juice is a terrible idea for weight loss... since YTF will just be adding a ton of calories and he will still require that sweet fix every morning.

Personally I think he needs to get his sleeping issues sorted and develop a taste for fine coffee... and reserve the Diet Coke for when he wants a special treat.

sometimes you have to click the nutritional info on myfitnesspal before adding things to your day, see if things make sense/match up with packages etc. some ppl obv have put some crazy numbers in there but you can find reasonable estimates most times if u check a few