ive been super fit athletic and strong before. and ive been 50lbs overweight before. regardless, my quality of life and success with woman and all that was pretty much the same the in both cases. mebbe a bit better when i was fat actually, due to experience.

anyway, the point is, being thin and fit is not really gonna make most ppls lifes all that much better.

I disagree I have been both and being fitter makes you healthier and makes you feel better about yourself

I don't think you can really compare the 2. 20 pounds underweight means the girl is about to die and hasn't eaten in months, the extreme end of the skinny spectrum generally. 20 pounds overweight is seen as 'normal' in this society. In this case, yea i probably rather bang the 'normal' chick than the one about to die that doesn't have energy to be awake, much less climb on top of me

Agreed. When I am in better shape, my mind feels generally much sharp and alert, too. Your mind and body are intertwined pretty tightly.

Even if you adapt downward to your declining state as you get further away from optimum function, it doesn't mean what you come to take as the norm is anywhere near your best. But you can be fooled that it is. You can become so used to it that you would never suspect how much better you would feel if you were in better shape.

Yeah 20 pounds underweight for a chick means it had better be a damn tall chick or you got some problems.

She's actually gotten quite mad at me for suggesting that eating meat 3 times a day (or more) is perfectly healthy, and anyone who thinks otherwise is misinformed. girlz r dumb

This is such a load of crap. Yea no doubt if you were athletic and competing in sports and stuff you'd feel better about yourself, but that's not what we are talking about. The difference between being 30 pounds overweight and being not overweight but not athletic is marginal to non-existent for most people. I bet for a lot of people being 30 pounds overweight is much better once they've accepted it, because then they are eating what they want to eat and not worrying about having to exercise. While the healthy guy is denying himself that donut he craves and having to go to the gym even though it's boring and dull.

+3465+03496346+08346346, personally the difference is gigantic.

This is around the epitome of baseless self-esteem.

im the opposite for the most part. when im fat and dont care is when im the sharpest and have the most energy. its when i make the most at poker and accomplish way more stupid life tasks.

when im fit and strong and working out a lot, im tired all the ****** time. mentally and physically. i cant play poker worth a damn after training hard.

i feel better about myself in a way, but i also feel tons worse. i mean, i train my ass off and im still no where near a good enough soccer player, runner or cyclist. ill never bench twice my body weight or deadlift 500lbs. then i gotta constantly worry about and monitor nagging aches and pains that constantly show up. i mean, whats the ***** point of all this pain and suffering? i got more girls when i was 30 lbs overweigh anyway.

i like to be outside. i like to sweat. i like to go fast. most people dont.

also, blarqs presence is pretty lol in this thread. werent you the guy that bitched about eating massive amounts of food and never being able to gain weight?

you have no clue what sort of sacrifice it takes to go from being a fatty to being skinny.

This is true on the opposite end. Fatties don't know the trouble it takes of building up an ability to gorge oneself repeatedly throughout the day. The core point is doing something that takes time and is worthwhile to do. Doing ezpz **** is pointless and not worth doing.

great, now give us a valid argument.

ya i dont understand how yall actually feel sharper and have more energy after doing a bunch of hard sht.

i wanna sit on the couch and veg out and eat a hamburger.

anyway, i think its perfectly reasonable that most ppl dont want to do a bunch of hard and painful work. esp when they dont have much natural abilities and all that.

ok to jack the thread; i am confused about the effect of the fat vs thin thing. like victor saying 'you don't know what its like to try and not be fat if you're thin'.

i don't understand this. isn't the vast vast majority of gaining or losing weight related to calories in vs out / exercise? when i gain 20 pounds after a 3 month bender, i sure as hell know how it feels to go hungry if i want to lose weight. is this all you're talking about?

also i don't get why people find it so hard to gain weight. i think so much of the 'hard gainer' idea is not physiological, it is that thin people do not want to be fat, so they are SUPER afraid of overeating. if someone told me 'here's 4000 calories of food, eat it throughout the day' i'd have no problems doing that if i knew for sure fat gain would be at a reasonable minimum.

i think a lot of fat people are comfortable with gaining more fat (as well as muscle) since they're already fat; but thin people typically would rather stay thin than get large (both fatter and stronger). as an example, i think most thin people would rather stay thin than have rippetoes physique (obviously it'd make more sense to take ripps physique and go crazy cutting but you get the idea).

maybe i am underestimating physiological differences?

Will you settle for cogent?

yeah i definitely don't understand the people that are like 'exercise makes me a way more profitable poker player'. not true for me AT ALL. it does make me a happier one since there is more balance and when you are losing at poker and winning at fitness the day is breakeven so it reduces some variance, but there is just no way i am more profitable when i am training every day.

You're just assuming that everyone's metabolic rates and genetic predispositions are exactly like yours. They're not. It takes the hardgainer alot more will power to eat 4k calories a day because his body is screaming at him that he's full.

I agree with the fact that the vast majority of people are teh suck.

LOL. Yeah it's a bunch of crap that being in better physical shape makes you feel better. Mind and body are totally separate and have no influence on each other. Also, being better looking never made anyone feel better about themselves either all alone or around others. And nobody particular enjoys having a capable, vigorous body.

And being 30 pounds overweight is probably better for most people, too. Especially in the long term.

You've made some very good points!

I don't think a lot of you understand what self-worth is and how you gain value as a human being. Either that or the level of self-delusion in society is resulting in epic loserhood.

Being in peak physical condition and being the most healthy aren't always the same thing. 30lbs over weight may be a bit much, but you don't have to be a physical fitness nazi to be healthy.

You're looking at the benefits of being in shape incorrectly. It is not being in shape that makes you tired all the time mentally and physically and unable to play poker. It's again taking poor care of your body, not good, that does that. You aren't eating enough, sleeping enough, giving yourself enough recovery time, or similar things.

There's no particular reason to expect you would play poker well after training hard, either. That's kinda odd. Usually after I train hard I try to relax. But that problem comes down to your own personal choice of timing. It has nothing to do with being in shape specifically.

You'll probably never be an astronaut or a movie star either, but that is likewise neither here nor there. Whether you set yourself goals you enjoy and that are reasonable is all on you and says nothing about the benefits of staying in shape and how they can spill over into the rest of your life when properly managed.

Doh, lotta whining there.

Many things in life are well worth doing whether you enjoy them or not. And we are a lot to blame for our own choices. If you don't want to feel like you spend all your time exercising, don't train for marathons, etc. If you don't like hanging around the gym all the time, do some of your work-outs at home. Or substitute them with a sport you enjoy, etc.

I mean, there's always something to cry about, but it's not very productive to go there.

I agree with this part. Being fit (eh, pseudo-fit at best to be fair) is fairly -EV for me for two reasons:

1. The opportunity cost of working out 3x a week, obv.

2. More interestingly, now that I have like 25 more pounds of LBM than I used to I get much hungrier much faster.

I used to be able to stay alert through 12 hours sessions consuming nothing but a coke, now I would start to have my concentration significantly impaired after like five hours of not eating if I am playing right out of bed.

Not that I care since I don't actually have to grind anyway, but yeah I agree with you.

I'm the guy who got a third degree black belt in jiu-jitsu and a first degree black belt in wing chun do gung fu at the same time despite being completely uncoordinated, very naturally weak, and having strabismus so I don't even have the slightest amount of depth perception. I'm the guy who was so physically ungifted that it took longer to learn almost everything despite training harder than almost anyone in any of my classest. I sincerely doubt you have the remotest idea of the difficulties I've surmounted.

You don't even sound like you have a clear grasp of your own difficulties.