A good start is better than a bad start and any start towards a healthy relationship with food has got to be better than no start. I should probably give myself a "Well duh!" now to save others some time

Ya, that seems dumb. I eat candy or ice cream or have a soda almost every day. It shouldn't be confused as some sort of weird reward. You can fit it into a daily diet pretty easily. Why not just do that instead of having this weird reward based system where feel like you "earn" something?

Alobar,


I’m hoping mik’s wrong and you’re actually a little smarter and have a little more willpower than most of the fatties around here.

That said, most of what mik’s saying is correct. Some mindset changes would likely do you good. Work your treats into your plan. I eat desserts, drink a fair amount of alcohol, eat bad dinners out, etc. I just try to keep it all balanced - maybe a couple of big nights out will be followed by a couple of days where I just cook eggs and meat and veg at home, etc.

A nice middle ground on the exercise logging imo would be to only take exercise calories into account when you do 10 miles or more. So if you run 5 miles, don’t consume an extra 500 cals, just consider it a bonus to make up for other times when you go over.

5/2

weight: 203.9

BF%: 14.5

Food: Oatmeal with some peanut butter, clif bar, sweet and sour chicken with quinoa, spicy tuna roll

exercise: 100 minutes cycling

daily calories: -1248

total calories: -8195

I guess I misspoke when I said I use food as a reward. I don't mean I have some system where I earn food for doing stuff, I just mean "man, today was an awesome day...Im going to get pizza!"


I know balance is the best way (pretty much for everything in life), but I suck at it with food. It's like telling an alcoholic to just have one beer. Its not quite that drastic, but still. Honestly, once I get over the hump I don't miss any of that stuff. Not like Im sitting around going "Id ****ing kill someone for a donut!!" cuz I havent had one in a month, its more like "meh, whatever".


anyway, I appreciate all the advice everyone.

5/2

weight: 203.6

BF%: 15

Food: Oatmeal with some peanut butter, clif bar, 4 chicken wings, 3 kilkennys, a mexican chocolate cookie mint chip ice cream sandwich, nachos

exercise: -

daily calories: +748

total calories: -7447

knew I was going to go over today since it was my last final and I was going out afterwords for some beers, so im not really bothered by it. Next few days will be interesting, since I'm graduating and usually when I get on a roll and do well with my diet something will come up where its a holiday or something where I feel like I'm ok with eating whatever and then just never get back on the wagon.

5/4

weight: 206.4

BF%: 13.8

Food: Oatmeal with some peanut butter, stinger energy chews, sushi

exercise: 125 minutes cycling

daily calories: -506

total calories: -7953


5/5

weight: 204.0

BF%: 15.1

Food: Oatmeal with some peanut butter, 5 slices pizza, an enchilada, a liter of Dr Pepper

exercise: -

daily calories: +381

total calories: -7066

ugh, I gave in to weakness and got some Dr Pepper

Are you on some sort of weird dietary restriction where you can't have Dr Pepper? Do you intend to do this the rest of your life? If no, why not make a sustainable habit where you fit soda into your daily caloric allotment?

I'm not sure if you're just pulling a MLY-lite magic show with some of the commentary, but I really just can't understand the whole quasi-self loathing over things that are totally normal and fine to consume in moderation. Well other than loco, but he's... loco.

How do you go about deciding what to eat each day?

Just skimmed most of this...

As you've accepted that your bf measurements are completely bogus, and you have at least measured your waist once since the start of this log, are you still taking regular waist measurements, but just not recording them in your log? Wouldn't you think weight + waist be a better indicator than weight + fairytale bf %? Might help you be more honest with yourself.

Can you describe how does Dr. Pepper taste? I know how coke, fanta and sprite taste but not Dr. Pepper.

For me it helps sometimes to really answer the question: why I am shovelling XYZ in my mouth, as precise and specific as possible. Hint: "it taste good" is not enough as answer.

I think you are doing pretty good considering all changes that are going on right now in your life . Food issues are complicated and to huge extent mind game. You can do it.

This guy eats everyday like he is on death row. I don't think he has ever seen a fruit or veggie. . Pizza, the most calorically dense mexican, soda, Ice cream, beer, wings etc etc.
And this is while dieting, so I kinda want to see what it was like before.

Lapka

Dr Pepper was invented by a pharmacist. His little boy wouldn't drink his cough medicine. So he added half a can of coca cola, more carbonation and sugar and Viola!!! Dr pepper was born.

Ya, I guess I had horrific-diet-blindness. Apparently it can be hard to fit a Dr. Pepper around half a pizza, wings, and beer.

Fat person eats like fat person. More at 8.

Tx for a reminder why HF is to be avoided.

Explain your issue Lapka.

This guy eats everyday like he is on death row. The typical American diet is just like what prisoners eat on the last day of their lives.

The foods most frequently requested included meats, fried food, desserts and soft drinks. 39.9% of people requested a branded food or drink. Fruits and vegetables were not often on these individuals’ wish list. This pattern of meals shows a preference for foods associated with resource-poor environments with food insecurity. The role of temporal discounting may be seen as people choose these ‘comfort foods.’

Drpepper was invented by a pharmacist and has 9 teaspoons of sugar per can. Obviously I am theorizing as to how he invented it, but since it has 23 flavors, pretty sure it was random clicking of ingredients plus the 9 teaspoons of sugar.

Lapka,

Dr Pepper is like coke with a little more fruit flavor and some kind of lightly peppery spice flavor like a root beer.

Basically, H&F thinks you're not serious about losing weight unless you eat like you hate food.

1. Guy who's binged eaten his whole life starts a log to help him stop binge eating and lose weight.

2. He stops binge eating, goes over target calories twice in two weeks, and loses weight

3. H&F bros: lol@u you had a pizza and Dr Pepper. Fatties gonna fat.

The ratio is 80/20%. So 80% of calories come from nutritious sources (mostly whole and minimally processed food). The other 20% can be Dr pepper and pizza.

Unfortunately hero here is to as close as possible to 100%/0%. Where 100% is what an inmate on death row would eat on his very last day, and 0% wholesome minimally processed food.

And does anybody Science? Of course not, even though one guy cherry picks up to the 30 years ago to pretend he sciences. But just in case, there is some evidence to this 80/20 rule.

Use the 10-20% discretionary intake rule and enjoy life a bit.
The 10-20% guideline isn’t only something I’ve used successfully with clients; it’s also within the bounds of research. Aside from field observations, there are three lines of evidence that happen to concur with this guideline. I’ll start with the most liberal one and work my way down. The current Dietary Reference Intakes report by Food & Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine lists the upper limit of added sugars as 25% of total calories [24]. Similarly, an exhaustive literature review by Gibson and colleagues found that 20% of total calories from added sugars is roughly the maximum amount that won’t adversely dilute the diet’s concentration of essential micronutrition [25]. Keep in mind that both of these figures are in reference to refined, extrinsic sugars, not naturally occurring sugars within whole foods like fruit or milk. Finally, the USDA has attempted to teach moderation with their concept of the discretionary calorie allotment, defined as follows [26]:
“…the difference between total energy requirements and the energy consumed to meet recommended nutrient intakes.”
Basically, discretionary calories comprise the margin of leftover calories that can be used flexibly once essential nutrient needs are met. Coincidentally, the USDA’s discretionary calorie allotment averages at approximately 10-20% of total calories [27]


So as you can see, when we have an individual dieting 100% on death row foods, well you can see that it is very disturbing. And thus making better food choices becomes of utmost importance to make changes for life. Logs like this where we learn to accept and be positive to an individual clicking buttons in a detrimental way, actually end up hurting the ultimate goal of health and fitness for everyone.

Oatmeal with some peanut butter is a death row food?

Most people are not robots. People who aren't robots are often motivated by encouragement and discouraged by criticism. Giving feedback that is 100% criticism is often not entirely helpful.

Trying to join the ranks of H&F, having an own healthy food-losing weight-exercise issue. This thread looks very promising!

greg,

While I'm not entirely sure what "sushi" entails, everything else on that list is plainly obvious to anyone not at YTF levels of diet stupidity as a sometime food. You have to be incredibly dense to think: enchiladas, chicken wings, oatmeal with peanut butter, literal fortified sugar packets are remotely reasonable food choices for 100% of his diet beyond pizza/Dr. Pepper and whatever sushi he ate.

Maybe learning to eat like an adult would help at some point?

Also, the idea he isn't binge eating is patently false. He isn't hitting calorie goals which with the amount of exercise he has are pretty liberal, and then feeling guilt over things he can have everyday just not in the context of a diet of entirely junk food.

You're being absurd.

Christ. I'm agreeing with loco. This is how absurd you two are being.

YTF literally ate bagels with peanut butter and thought that was a diet food. Oatmeal with peanut butter is pretty much identical. It is extremely dense and in many cases will have more calories than a reasonable amount of butter/jam/whatever.

Do you think he is actually weighing his food like citanul described to MLY?

Alobar,

Stop derping around and switch to diet soda aready. I used to drink 2-2litters of Dr. Pepper a day and switched, now I can't stand the taste of regular sodas. You won't miss DP at all.

She's right. You should switch to margaritas.