Umm... Yeah. I was just trying it out. It wasn't like its part of my programming. Aside from the issue that killing myself to grind it out is far far worse than just stopping short.

I think it contributing to my shoulder soreness since now my entire shoulder girdle feels bad instead of just my posterior delts/traps.

Shoulders take a beating from a lot of things-- and a lot of the body's beatings show up in the shoulders. Rest usually goes a long way. I do take it as a good indicator that you would benefit from more push-ups.

i hope you know i was just teasing. hope you get feeling better man. rest it up.

Yep. 100%

Took a couple months off and its been a long time since I've done much upper body pressing and this current mesocycle doesn't call for much of it either.

Gave the tabata push-ups another go.

Managed 7 this time. Had a little bit in the tank but not much. Shortened up my form to just past 90 degrees with elbows since I think going down farther puts more stress on the shoulders (confirm/deny?). So that was exciting.

I think hand position and the angle of the humerus wrt the body is what effects the glenohumeral, and if that is correct then depth is not the issue. (Caveat, I'm basically making stuff up-- I don't put this in the same category of my other medical fakery because this is gym wisdom.)

I consider it a push-up if the humerus breaks 90. My sternum is close to the ground and often touching the ground and just past 90. Crossfitters want you to touch the ground. At high reps it is tough to tell the difference without a "clicker" on the ground beneath the trainee (which effectively raises the ground, anyway).

In tabata you want an aerobic and anaerobic hit, if you got that, then good. But I really don't like "had a little bit in the tank." Sounds like a less specific form of density training, although it is consistent with current usage-- and it is still a good thing, and saying that it is not tabata seems overly nitty. Ideally you work for 20s and rest 10s, and that anaerobic and aerobic fatigue seemingly/actually inform each other.

This is where a log is useful, and you can look to increase to 8 over one or several intervals or focus more on total reps (and see if that changes anything) in future.

Interesting. I'm not particularly worried about doing the "best Tabata workout possible" since it really isn't part of my overall programming to kill myself. Also from what I gathered when doing Tabata especially for newer exercises is that you need to guesstimate how much work you can do. For example. I could probably do 15+ pushups in the first round if pressed, but there would be no way I'd do more than a few (if that) by round 8. So its not really possible for most people to find exercises that correspond exactly with the 20s on/10s off while at the same time trying to get the highest score.

Maybe I should play around with my hand position a little more for pushups. I generally use a significantly narrower grip for PUs than bench, maybe I should switch?

With tabata I say go for the best score and strive to improve your score. You can score total reps or interval with least reps-- the latter is actually a good strategy to go about increasing the former if you choose well. Definitely doesn't seem worthwhile to smoke yourself in the first 2-3 intervals. Getting 6-8 is more valuable anyway. And I don't nit about the 2:1 workout to rest ratio, but it is worth thinking about.

My hand position is probably narrower too, but I don't think about it, and if I do it is to vary the width. I'm more worried about the angle (and hand position affects this)-- you are on the right track comparing to the bench I think. It's not the depth, but the angle of the upper arm/elbow angle with the body.

ETA: If you can do more reps in the last interval, but quit because you'd simply exceed your min round-- you are pussy.

Haha. It seems that you are, in fact, the last real man on this board. The rest of us just set goals, or puss out, or a variety of unmanly activities. But yeah, I agree with everything you said. The fairly narrow hand position puts a lot of tricep emphasis and then forces a really acute angle to hit the floor. A little wider would probably be better for balance and chicks dig huge pecs AMIRITE???

I've always thought that low round is how Tabata is supposed to be scored. I'm making a foray into this since its like <40 degrees outside at night and I can't go outside lest I freeze to death. Hopefully I can get some decent scores in these in the near future.

I think that the first few attempts should always just be all out or close to it. Once you get a better idea of capabilities then aiming for a high-low round score makes sense. Otherwise it's probably just counter productive trying to perfectly pace yourself.

Noted.

Since I'm a sicko I did squats again. Form gets looser as the all go on, but they're decently below parallel sans a few reps.

20/18/18/17/17/15/15/16

I think I'm crippled.

great effort. i seem to recover quickly from these, hope you do too.
the crippling effect is only temporary.

btw i always seem to get one or two extra reps in the last interval too and then i feel like i could have pushed harder. weird phenomenon.

Cryocupping works really good. I promise.

Lots of DOMS.

Regular Warm Up

DB Snatch
1x70
2x2x65

Clean
1x160
2x2x140

Front Squat
1x185
2x2x175

Forgot that I did

2x10x40 Reverse Grip Pressdowns

GOTTA FEEL THE PUMP BRO!

Wow. Its amazing how bad I feel on this program.

Normal Warmup (Cut DB snatch warmup to 3x40 since I'm doing DB snatches as part of my program)

DB Snatch
1x75
5x1x70
1x2x65

Clean
3x1x165
2x1x170
2x1x140

Program called for 5x1x175, which I could not do. Shoulders felt awful. My third pull sucks. So goes life.

Squat
1x225
2x2x200

Took a stimulant before hitting the gym. Diet has been meh. Fried chicken FTW. Everything else is pretty fine. Still live a high stress, low sleep lifestyle. Std.

DB Snatch
5x2x65
1x2x60

Clean
5x1x155
1x2x140

Front Squat
1x185
1x2x175

Depth on squats is very nice.

Tabata sucks. Why do I convince myself this **** is good for me?

I did a set of pushups followed by squats:

Pushups
10/10/8/8/8/8/8/8

Squats
20/18/16/14/14/14/13/14

68 and 123... I'll take it. I'll still can't do a ton of pushups. But that'll change as I do more. Meh.

Usually a red bull. In this case it a was a Spike. Sometimes its Hot-Rox. Just depends. They all basically do the same thing. Make you lift more.

On that note:

DB Snatch
1x75
2x65

Clean
1x170
2x2x140

Squat
1x225
2x2x200

good work man, good work.

curious as i am doing some db snatching myself these days.

you doing the full or power version of the snatches and cleans?

not that it matters really, just curious.

Power. My technique is pretty poor. I ended up pressing out one of the 75lbs DB snatches today. Left arm which I always do 2nd so it ends up being a little rougher. Whatev. So goes life.

I used to do DB snatching with lower weights alot. But started doing them heavier recently. It is putting a lot of stress on my shoulders, but I've been making large gains in my shoulder girdle (the main area that makes you look "bigger" for the unread) so its not too bad. I probably look heavier now at 169 than I did at like 175 for the short time I was up that high.

My diet so far today has been possibly the worst ever. Let me list what I've eaten.

1) Coffee - Caffeine, high blood pressure. I'm soon to die. I also used cream... LOLZ dairy.
2) Blackberries - Insoluble fiber + sugar = **** out my colon
3) Almonds - high fat = heart disease
4) Ham Sandwich - white bread + mayo
5) Salad - More fiber for quick colonic apocalypse in addition I had cheese on it for LOLZ dairy and dried fruit + nuts for more LOLZ caloric dense food = me soon to be fat as hellz
6) White bread - 'betes
7) Juice - 'betes
8) Chips - fatties

I did have to root around to come up with something for almonds nor have I eaten anything with soy or anything really horrible. Aside from meal timing placement, my diet today has been fine but there is pretty much "something wrong" with all of it. I'm way way way low on protein atm (granted I almost always pick it up toward the end of the day with that), but a lot of the fringe stuff can just be pretty safely ignored. Bread sucks, but I can't experience the goodness of sandwiches (much like women are necessary to support a vagina) without it.

Though I think it would be fun to go through your diet and find all the "flaws" in it according to varying schools of thought unless you're an extremist.

That said, I might do some Tabata later since I hate myself.

Since, I'm a sicko degen with insomnia. I decided to do Tabata Pushups/situps and then a half set of air squats.

PU
14/13/11/8/7/6/6/5

SU
11/11/9/11/10/9/9/10

Squats
20/19/16/15

So 70 PUs. I think I went too all out at the beginning. I tried to push a little harder, but I think I need to manage failure more. I did try spacing out the reps more in each set which I think helped. 80 SUs is good I guess? I'm having trouble pacing myself on those as evidenced by the numbers. Then I finished with some squats for 70. I felt dead after those. And feel dead now. I hope I don't die.

Another day.

DB Snatch
5x1x65
2x60
2x2x55

Clean
5x1x155
2x140

Front Squat
2x2x175