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Old 12-29-2007, 02:45 AM   #51
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Re: Thremp - No More Fatties

"Sit To Stand" Desk = The Bees Knees
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Old 12-29-2007, 10:08 AM   #52
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Ditto. At a bit under 6'2", most countertops and tables and desks are way too low for me to be comfortable at when standing.

I did see a guy's office who had a table custom built to his height that went around for 90 degrees. He loved it and it looked pretty cool.

But I'm like you with off the rack counters/tables, so to speak. Plus I get varicose veins under my ankles really easy and it starts to ache down there.
The trick is to get the desktop tall enough so you're not bending over. Additionally, you need to keep your feet constantly moving.
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Old 12-31-2007, 07:26 AM   #53
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Joint injuries are best cured and avoided by changing your state of mind and personality.
Working in sports coaching for over 20 years I notice that certain personality type get these kind of injuries much more frequently than others. It's primarily down to posture and the way they move.
A relaxed confident outlook on life and sports challenges makes for relaxed focused movements. Although you can compensate for this to a degree by training the relevant excercises, its not as good as changing the basis of your movements.

To give a specific example: rotator cuff injuries during benching, martial arts training, badly executed olympic lifts etc, are often seen in people who are far too tense. They are so used to tensing their traps and delts when under stress that they do this instinctively at the wrong point in the relevant exercise.
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Old 01-02-2008, 02:28 AM   #54
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Interesting idea. There definitely seem to be some analogues in martial arts.
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Old 01-04-2008, 05:04 AM   #55
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I am kinda fat. Smiley can verify. While I have not yet joined the elitist ranks of old Dids of gobbo-"I'm a freak and a very weird dude who is also quite young"-boy, I am fatter than I like. I have also given up on my journey to get hooge. Part of this is 1) I'm lazy 2) My knee is bogus 3) I'm lazy. But I digress. First to cover my knee troubles. I've been having pain in my right knee. It happens sometimes when I squat. Sometimes when I lock out a deadlift... other times when I just lean over and put weight on it awkwardly. Sometimes it feels just kind of unstable. I'm not really sure whats wrong with it or if I'm just paranoid, but I wouldn't like it to blow out on me during a heavy set of squats. So I've been spending the last few weeks (this is after spending 3 weeks in my car and walking around looking at stuff) trying to "rehab" it. This has mostly been BW exercises and some light gym work. Though it felt pretty bad the other day while I did some power cleans. It seems to be looking better as it just felt unstable instead of giving scintillating pain and "giving out".

Onward. So recently I've been trying to gain weight. While this has been a somewhat fruitful endeavor (I did get upto ~173-175 or so) it was not what I expected it to be. Granted I will never be really huge, and will never be even kinda be jacked given my current lifestyle (OMG fitness isn't your #1 priority?!? No. It is not. Ballerness is. Though it is an aspect and why I have not taken the durrrr diet on). After the road trip and my little excursion with my knee... I find myself at a somewhat palatable 169 without putting on some extra weight from creatine. Though given my consumption of fish and red meat. I'm unsure of whether the additional creatine does anymore than cost me 20c a day.

So, what I am doing about this. While I am not ready to commit myself to a strict Zone diet, I am making some rather large notable changes.

1) Less alcohol. Getting shammered is unballer. So the physical benefits are a side benefit. Cutting down from the 30+ drinks to a manageable 5 or less should be an easy change.
2) Some sort of activity 6-7 days a week. I've written posts about feeder workouts, but never seem to apply them myself. Alas, this must change. While I don't have to kill myself doing 60 pushups/100 squats/100 situps will do some wonders for my GPP and provide some nice active recovery.
3) Runaments. LOLZ. I wanna die. Maybe get back to a sub 6 min mile (not that I ever really ran timed miles past the age of like 13?)
4) I'm cutting down on the meals and calories. I'm moving to mostly "instinctual" eating with some healthy reminders thrown in. Not going to count calories atm. Going to see how changes 1-3 affect things with a diet I'm happy eating and make adjustments from there.

Speculation: I think I can "tighten up" and end up somewhere in the 166-170 range in early spring. My lifting goals will obv be on somewhat of hold though I do think I can continue to set PRs as I'm not so much in a "cutting" phase as a normal person would be. I have ~3-4 months to make some minor body comp changes which shouldn't be too hard given the general changes.

Yawn, this is long and I just got done "jogging" which is a pretty **** word. But I don't think anyone would pass off what I just did as "running".

Just dont overdo yourself. Hopefully youll be able to figure a way to do that and still exercise, somehow.
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:30 AM   #56
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But really. Does anyone have ideas what could cause weird random knee pains? Doctor time? Get that ***** scoped?
I sometimes get a similar thing, its to do with the cartlidge between the bones in your leg and your kneecap wearing thin, if it gets bad it can be really serious and need surgery, but if you catch it early enough it can be treated with physio. If you can strengthen the muscles along the thigh then it reduces the pressure on the cartlidge and allows it to heal, but you have to excersice the muscles in a way that doesnt put strain on the cartlidge else you will just make it worse. The simplest way is to simply lie on your back and hold your leg straight out with your feet 3 inches above the ground until the muscles on your thigh burns like hell then count slowly to thirty and switch legs, do that a couple of times each day and it should start to clear up. Avoid any exersive that puts strain on the joints (squats etc) or that jolts your legs (running). Swimming can be good but you want to aviod breast stroke as it puts sideways pressure on the knee joints, backstroke is probably best of all.

But seriously see a doctor, thats what I had with similar symptons, if your problem is different the wrong type of physio could make it worse.
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Old 01-04-2008, 03:20 PM   #57
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I sometimes get a similar thing, its to do with the cartlidge between the bones in your leg and your kneecap wearing thin, if it gets bad it can be really serious and need surgery, but if you catch it early enough it can be treated with physio. If you can strengthen the muscles along the thigh then it reduces the pressure on the cartlidge and allows it to heal, but you have to excersice the muscles in a way that doesnt put strain on the cartlidge else you will just make it worse. The simplest way is to simply lie on your back and hold your leg straight out with your feet 3 inches above the ground until the muscles on your thigh burns like hell then count slowly to thirty and switch legs, do that a couple of times each day and it should start to clear up. Avoid any exersive that puts strain on the joints (squats etc) or that jolts your legs (running). Swimming can be good but you want to aviod breast stroke as it puts sideways pressure on the knee joints, backstroke is probably best of all.

But seriously see a doctor, thats what I had with similar symptons, if your problem is different the wrong type of physio could make it worse.
All,

See what I'm saying? If the doctor tells me to take up some sort of lying on my back exercise that involves strengthening my quads vs. doing squats. I'm not going to do it.

Though it appears my knee is getting better. Gym was closed for the holidays and Monday is the return of my weightlifting regime starting. First a PC 200. Then I can play with other stuff.
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Old 01-04-2008, 03:49 PM   #58
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being huge is so 10 years ago. haha

getting huge is over rated. I am 6 2 and got up to 225 last year just lifting and eating alot. I wasnt fat at all and still had decent abs, but I just felt like ****. Carrying around extra weight is just hard on your body and not fun. It's harder to move.

I am down to like 195 now and feel so much better.

Getting lean is so much better than being huge.
Anyone can get big but big and lean......
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Old 01-04-2008, 07:26 PM   #59
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I was lean I said I still had abs. Just weighing alot made me feel like a slug.
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Old 01-05-2008, 01:32 PM   #60
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But really. Does anyone have ideas what could cause weird random knee pains? Doctor time? Get that ***** scoped?
Before you do this, read these articles.

http://www.usmedicine.com/article.cf...481&issueID=41
Study comparing scoping a knee to placebo surgery.

http://www.baylorhealth.edu/proceedi..._1_jackson.htm
Discussion of the above study.

http://www.thefinalsprint.com/2006/1...ually-useless/
A Dr. explaining the downfalls of scoping a knee.

A couple of friends of mine have had their knees scoped. They'll brag about how great their knees feel. Then 6 to 12 months later they're back to have it done again. I know someone that has had 15 knee surgeries. I keep on thinking that after the first 5 didn't work, maybe it's time to try something else.

Any way, make sure you're fully educated about the risks and benefits before you let a Dr. talk you into doing anything.
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Old 01-05-2008, 01:43 PM   #61
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Re: Thremp - No More Fatties

tsearcher,

Thank you.
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:07 PM   #62
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thremp,

i was curious does it hurt to ride a bike (stationary or other)?

does it cause the weird sound?

try it. i am curioius. J.
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:31 PM   #63
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thremp,

i was curious does it hurt to ride a bike (stationary or other)?

does it cause the weird sound?

try it. i am curioius. J.
No. I have tried it. This is fine. Its feeling more stable with a mixture of time off from the holidays and some BW exercises and jogging. I've also tried to avoid blasting it. We'll find out next week if it still hurts or it'll work.
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Old 01-05-2008, 02:39 PM   #64
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sweet.

i think that is really good news in general.

i had about a dozen patella dislocations when i was a h.s. b-baller and was going to have to go under the knife. strengthened it and avoided surgery........that being said my knee will get gimpy, crackly, sticky, and has a couple of "floating" pieces of something it in. a bit of rest and alot of biking as always rehabbed/strengthened it enough to get going again.

no pain on the bike i think is really a great sign. keep us posted and start slow with the weight bearing stuff, no body weight snatches for a couple weeks at least.
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Old 01-05-2008, 09:00 PM   #65
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I am kinda fat. 1) I'm lazy 2) My knee is bogus 3) I'm lazy.

I'd offer you some advice but I usually work with folks with above average discipline.

Lazy and fat- what a life.
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Old 01-05-2008, 10:12 PM   #66
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I'd offer you some advice but I usually work with folks with above average discipline.

Lazy and fat- what a life.
Thanks. But my logs usually need advice on very specific subjects and are generally a model of how some people equate their programming with their day to day life.

Are you angry I pointed out the fact you have minimal logic skillz? Are you familiar with the term "hyperbole"?
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Old 01-06-2008, 08:50 PM   #67
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Re: Knee issues.

Have you tried using knee sleeves (even if you have one bad knee, you have to wear one on both knees) like Rehband or Tommy Kono?
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Old 01-06-2008, 09:13 PM   #68
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Re: Knee issues.

Have you tried using knee sleeves (even if you have one bad knee, you have to wear one on both knees) like Rehband or Tommy Kono?
No, I have not.

Tomorrow will be first time back in the gym in a while. Will report how it all goes.
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Old 01-07-2008, 07:25 PM   #69
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Bro unless youre a midget I don't see how you could weigh as little as you do and actualy be fat. You are probably jus bein body conscious.
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Eat it up! Dont worry about the calories.
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Old 01-07-2008, 07:47 PM   #71
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Bro unless youre a midget I don't see how you could weigh as little as you do and actualy be fat. You are probably jus bein body conscious.
Umm... I was kidding? I was the fattest I ever was. I'm not a very good judge of BF% but maybe like 13-14%?

Since I'm already typing. I've lost about 8 lbs of water/fat/muscle from that point in varying increment. The largest being water/fat.

Today hit the gym and my knee worked.

Warm-up:
5x DB Snatch
1 min bike
10 dips
10 Back extensions
5 chins

I need to break then chins into 2 sets of 5 instead of tacking them on at the end and do the biking at the beginning. I'd also like to possibly do more DB snatches in my warmup and maybe add a couple other exercises for increased GPP/volume.

3x5x135 Back Squats
2x5x135 Front Squats

Form was pretty bad on these. But considering the layoff. I'll take it. Knee gave me some problems on the first set. Perhaps I need to have longer and more involved warm-ups, but its a small price to pay. Form on Front squat was significantly worse than on back squats (pre-exhaustion, higher intensity, this should be obv) but wasn't too bad. I'm gonna try to see how it handles DLs on Wed and Power Cleans on Fri and then start a new program.

Added in 2x6x80 OHP and got out of there.
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No, I have not.

Tomorrow will be first time back in the gym in a while. Will report how it all goes.
knee sleeves aren't recommended if it's the loose cartilage that is being irritated. The compression of the sleeve just exacerbates the problem. I used a knee brace for sports after tearing my meniscus and it worked fine. I wouldn't use one now given the injury I have.

So basically if your knee is unstable or maybe a little weak, use it.

If you just have a patellar tracking problem or some cartilage on the kneecap getting inflamed and irritated, double check if it's ok.
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Old 01-10-2008, 06:15 AM   #74
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Okay... I did a more extensive warmup and managed to put away the DOMS.

Deadlift
5x3x185

Bench
3x5x135

Bench felt weird. Maybe cause I was really tired and it was early? Knee felt pretty sound. Weights are obviously super light, but its better than if I have problems with them. I'm gonna start on a clean program next week. Gonna do some maxes on Friday maybe. Actually I probably shouldn't since they're be a poor reflection on reality. Anyone have ideas for clean related program that don't use the snatch or should I just sub in DB snatches? I hate effing with premade programs. But the snatch just has such an absurd skill component and my midline stabilization / flexibility is so piss poor that I'd probably see little to no carryover to my clean.

HYACHACHACHA Its only 15 more pounds I want. Then it'd be somewhere in the 115-121% BW clean. I'll take it.
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Anyone have ideas for clean related program that don't use the snatch or should I just sub in DB snatches? I hate effing with premade programs. But the snatch just has such an absurd skill component and my midline stabilization / flexibility is so piss poor that I'd probably see little to no carryover to my clean.

HYACHACHACHA Its only 15 more pounds I want. Then it'd be somewhere in the 115-121% BW clean. I'll take it.
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