If you do the full switch, you drop a lot of fat/water weight 2 weeks in, I think it's more from just cutting out all the processed food. I weighed like 195 and went to 180 in pretty much zero time. The fat keeps coming off, but not as quick...I now pretty much hover between 168-172 depending on my eating/working out. I sort of plateaued at 176 on paleo, and lost a couple pounds when I started working in more intermittent fasting. When I first started paleo I cut carbs and processed food but still ate out at least once a week something that was carby, after 2 weeks i ditched dairy, that's when more weight came off...since then I will eat carbs, but mostly in the form of sushi, or have some dairy (cottage cheese, etc), but for me cutting out dairy was significant...

Thanks AZK. I'm at about 180 and looking to go to around 165. The last few weeks, I've cut out all sweets (dessert, candy, cookies, whatever), pop, and booze. I've started eating eggs every morning with breakfast and have mixed in some bacon. Occasionally, I've had to have a bit of cereal or a biscuit just because I feel like I have no energy without it. Diabetes runs in my family so when I get low blood sugar, I feel like I need some quick carbs...crackers, a biscuit, cereal, whatever.

YM,

AZK is much more fit to handle those questions than me. But I'll chime in with my trials and tribulations. While my diet does slide (ZOMG I bought like 12 ounces of jelly beans the other day and ate them.) and incorporates some rather unhealthy crap, I'm trying to make most of my meals paleo-oriented. Like for dinner I'll have a meat and a non-starch vegetable with some tea. Or for breakfast have some fruit and coffee (not paleo, but lets be real). So far I'm just trying to tweak my diet and see what exactly I can live with. Something that is fairly longterm. I'll probably give more of an effort after the holidays to log everything and get it all in order, since the exercise is somewhat pointless to do as a baseline when this period isn't really indicative of what I'm normally eating.

I'm trying to incorporate some zone elements and paleo. But I'm not positive how to integrate these two. Maybe one day I'll break down and go on a real strict zone for a month. This is rambling.

It was a joke from another thread where I was accused of sucking at sports. I'm in mediocre (by non-regular people's standards) shape and mediocre at sports. But my sporting life is well over.

How about an apple and/or an orange instead? Or a cup of oatmeal?

I'm trying to move to this instead of toast with my morning bacon/eggs.

Hard to kick though.

I've never liked Oatmeal except for that flavored sugary crap that comes in packets that can't possibly be good for you. I'll try some fruit instead and see how it goes. So a good breakfast would be 2 small pieces of bacon, 2 or 3 eggs, and either a banana, apple, or orange (banana is good, yes?). I think I can handle that.

Fruits are great for you and anything has to be better than the refined flour you find in a typical biscuit, or all the sugar/corn syrup/refined flour you find in the typical cereal.

Bananas are pretty starchy and I can get fat on them pretty fast, but YMMV.

Christmas break and the work load that comes before it. I've been some light BW feeder workouts. Diet has been poor as the holidays are want to let happen. I'll be doing some BW exercises and some PNF stretching tonight.

I've been reading up on stretching and postural issues. I find it somewhat absurd I still have anterior pelvic tilt despite my penchant for deadlifting and haterade for squats. Other than continuing with PNF stretches and keeping my hammies in shape... Anyone have other ideas? FWIW I usually pass almost all the postural tests in fairly excellent form considering my lack of stretching etc. Maybe my emphasis on deadlifts/rows has paid off to some degree and my anterior pelvic tilt would be far far worse if left alone?


Regardless, this is something that I probably should be paying more attention to year round, but meh.

LOL

Holidays are effing my routine. But whatev. Didn't kill myself with food or booze over the holidays. I've come to a plan. I want to maintain my weight ~170 hopefully rock a little recomp by cleaning up diet and continuing to lift. Took a jog tonight. I hate jogging, but it is getting better. Followed it with some PNF stretching. Was fine, though also horrible. My knee feels better, but I have not really worked it out. I've decided to prioritize my lifting goals with my current one being a 200 lbs power clean (~117% BW). Trying this bulgarian program that I may tweak a bit. It calls for snatches, but I think that exercise is too technique driven for my purposes so I may dig around a little more or switch to DB snatches or power snatches or maybe work something out with the two. Who knows.

Maybe I'll start adding DB snatches to my feeder workouts. Hrm... Decisions.

Thoughts on good power clean programs, **** posture related things (sitting all day is the main problem I have. Should I just break down and buy a sicko chair or...?), or anything else?

What do you do all day? Normal desk job?

I sit and gamble. Isn't that what everyone on 2p2 does?

But basically. I do get up occasionally to eat/run errands/make calls. Or other silliness, but you could say its just light desk work.

If your back is effed up or you worry that it will eventually become effed up, you can't go wrong by doing the kinda weird thing I did. I got a lazy-boy type recliner and a table that would let me expand its footrest up under it without interference instead of a regular desk and chair.

EVERY chair requires at least some amount of volition and discipline to keep your back straight. With a lazyboy type chair, you can eliminate both from the equation and keep your back healthy whether your head and heart are really into it or not. As I love to quote Clint Eastwood saying, "A man has got to know his limitations." Most of us are very content with merely kidding ourselves about them. Note that not living up to your ideals even a small percentage of the time doesn't give you any extra-credit type health points or whatever. Your back only responds to however you abuse it and couldn't give a flying crap why. Being great 80 or 90% of the time with your posture doesn't mean jack sh*t.

If you get a system that doesn't rely on your volition to keep your back healthy, then even at your worst, laziest, most undisciplined times, your back and posture won't decay, your nerves won't get more pinched, whatever.

Seriously, a reclining chair plus a table is so ridiculously much better than the very best desk and chair combo any genius could ever design that desks and chairs should be regarded as things you need an extremely specific reason to use outside of an office -- and maybe even inside one. The hours I can work on a computer, the health of my back, and my resultant energy level both absolutely skyrocketed after getting an infinitely-adjustable recliner and an adjustable table. We're living in the ergonomic dark ages now. Using a desk and a chair at home is like wearing a tie in the shower.

If your back is effed up or you worry that it will eventually become effed up, you can't go wrong by doing the kinda weird thing I did. I got a lazy-boy type recliner and a table that would let me expand its footrest up under it without interference instead of a regular desk and chair.

EVERY chair requires at least some amount of volition and discipline to keep your back straight. With a lazyboy type chair, you can eliminate both from the equation and keep your back healthy whether your head and heart are really into it or not. As I love to quote Clint Eastwood saying, "A man has got to know his limitations." Most of us are very content with merely kidding ourselves about them. Note that not living up to your ideals even a small percentage of the time doesn't give you any extra-credit type health points or whatever. Your back only responds to however you abuse it and couldn't give a flying crap why. Being great 80 or 90% of the time with your posture doesn't mean jack sh*t.

If you get a system that doesn't rely on your volition to keep your back healthy, then even at your worst, laziest, most undisciplined times, your back and posture won't decay, your nerves won't get more pinched, whatever.

Seriously, a reclining chair plus a table is so ridiculously much better than the very best desk and chair combo any genius could ever design that desks and chairs should be regarded as things you need an extremely specific reason to use outside of an office -- and maybe even inside one. The hours I can work on a computer, the health of my back, and my resultant energy level both absolutely skyrocketed after getting an infinitely-adjustable recliner and an adjustable table. We're living in the ergonomic dark ages now. Using a desk and a chair at home is like wearing a tie in the shower.

My back problems stemmed from an overuse injury and then deciding the best way to fix it would be to give it time off, to the tune of 16 months. Needless to say it got very weak over that period and its pretty much back to 100%. The only problems I have with it now are just tightness when I sleep on it wrong or from sitting at all. Just general type stuff. I actually need a desk though. I have a lazyboy that sits 5 feet from me, but it isn't suitable for the work I do. I guess I'll just have to focus on my posture when I'm working. Though I am going to consider the upgrade to a nicer chair in the near future and see how that works for helping my posture (and baller) issues.

All,

On the topic of my posture... I found this article:

http://www.protraineronline.com/past...pr03/howto.cfm

So I go through and do the floor bridge somewhat half-heartedly since it is a floor bridge and kinda ghey. Needless to say I got three minutes into it and said eff it. I don't think its a gluteal strength issue that is causing bad posture (Maybe I'm doing the postural tests incorrectly?) I'm very annoyed atm. But whatev. I guess its good that I'm not dying or anything.

What kind of work do you do besides poker at a desk? A lazyboy with the legs fitted under a high table holding my monitors/speakers and coffee was perfect for 8-tabling cards for me, as well as playing other games. I just wrapped a coffee-table book with a stadium blanket for a surface, but any lap desk would do, and put my keyboard on it, and used my mouse either on that or alternately on the big wide overstuffed handrest. Incredibly comfortable and I didn't wind up with a bunch of knots in my back and neck tension like normal work gives me. Seems perfect for me for most anything that doesn't require a drafting table, but to each their own. I bet you'd love it if you tried it, at least if you have a quality recliner.

I do mostly sports betting. I have a couple monitors and a ton of sheets of paper and BS.

I have tried the recliner and don't like the "sunken in" feel. Perhaps its also the aura of white trash that surrounds it. I'd prefer to atleast pretend I have a real job and sit at a "real" desk (table with plywood over it and $109 chair). I don't usually get a whole lot of neck and back tension though.

Yeah, if you have to spread tons of paper everywhere it wouldn't be ideal. And I guess it could make you feel psychologically like a degen a bit, especially if the chair is one of those old soft nasty ones.

Try standing while you work like architects do. It'll be easier to access all your monitors and papers. Just make sure you keep moving to keep your feet and legs from swelling up. You'll also find that it's easier to stay focused this way.

My back hurts when I have to stand in place, especially if I am leaning forward some. The worst is folding laundry. I stand and lean forward to fold it all. After about 20 minutes, the middle of my back is really hurting.

Thremp,

I hear you about the feeling lazy and getting soft thing. A month ago i had a solid routine and was getting better, but then did some traveling and my routine is ****ed again.

Anyway here's my solution: After the Aussie Millions (as i know there's no way i can maintain a routine or lay off the booze during those two weeks) i'm doing some fitness prop bets. It seems like a decent way to motivate and be balla at the same time.

Bet with a realistic/healthy goal and make sure to bet an amount that will actually hurt if you lose, whatever amount that happens to be.

And get your knee looked at by a professional pussy.

I don't really like going to health care professionals. I find usually the cure is worse than the illness. I figure I'll give myself a shot at my knee and then let the doc look at it if that doesn't work. I'm 1-0 on these things so fixing my knee means I'm on a winning streak.

I don't really like betting on stuff actually. Doing it for a living saps any sort of joy out of gambling and just makes it stressful. I mean I "like it", but I really don't.

Ditto. At a bit under 6'2", most countertops and tables and desks are way too low for me to be comfortable at when standing.

I did see a guy's office who had a table custom built to his height that went around for 90 degrees. He loved it and it looked pretty cool.

But I'm like you with off the rack counters/tables, so to speak. Plus I get varicose veins under my ankles really easy and it starts to ache down there.