Congrats on both accounts, Thremp; hopefully it's made your misery slightly less deep.

NotThremp,

Congratulations on procuring enough resources to attract a potential mate with a phenotype indicative of suitable reproductive fitness.

Evoken,

Glad to hear you are alive and well and keeping the fire burning too. I too wish you positive variance in finding meaning and purpose in life, whether through the normal route of procreation or some more esoteric methodology.

Yeah. I'll def still stay physically active if they ever stop randomly opening/closing gyms.

Thank you. Making the haters v rustled def brings some joy.



Thanks! Kids not on the timeline. Too selfish.

Congrats.

Update on the shoulder: Got a contrast MRI done. No SLAP tear, which is good. But no real reason why I have popping and soreness. My options are a more thorough round of rehab exercises and Advil, steroid shots, and PRP.

Steroid shots aren't typically effective on injuries that are 18m+ old, and PRP isn't effective on well... anything. Since this injury isn't aidsy enough to require anything more in depth, it seems I'll be indulging in pill popping and rubber banding in the near future.

Yeah i also saw that PRP was fake. But cha had it done recently and he turned back the wheel of time.

Maybe ART + PRP + TRT. Thats cha's secret cocktail.

Dont know really, good luck.

Roids work really really good. Prob should just get on a cycle and do presses.

But seriously, there is some solid research on muscle belly research being impeded by PRP injections. (Rat studies showing negative effect, lack of efficacy in small sample human.) Which kinda makes sense given the overall purported cause and effect.

Beyond my general dislike of ART for reasons that I have described at length, I don't believe that massaging an issue with shoulder stability will solve it. The joint feels like it lacks stability, but it probably does because it is weaker than **** currently. Certainly welcome to any rehab exercises that could be attempted or any at home doctoring guesses that could lead to better documentation and steering my ortho in a positive direction.

Thanks as well!

Have you checked out this?

Rebuilding Milo: The Lifter's Guide to Fixing Common Injuries and Building a Strong Foundation for Enhancing Performance https://www.amazon.com/dp/1628604220...E7JM02Y4XTFCPW

I have not. I'll look into giving this a read if my miracle 2 week course of rubber bands and pills doesn't work.

Rubber bands and pills did not work. I have purchased Rebuilding Milo. I am also substantially fatter (2.5lbs-ish) than I have been at any point in recent memory. Through some freak show of boredom and stupidity, I have discovered I can do dips. Or what is an attempt at a dip since I shutter like a leaf and have not done a dip in years or any real appreciable upper body pressing in 2ish.

This reminds me of a back injury I had 15ish years ago where the problem was really just being too weak. Will likely resume logging for the benefit of posterity and to provide my thoughts as I work through Rebuilding Milo and my mystery shoulder ailment.

“Shudder” I believe is the word you are looking for, and I very much look forward to your work with the book/hope it is of much help and use to you.

Yep. Posted that after a furtive night of sleep after 23ish hours of travel. Now I'm back awake after a 3hr nap. My motor skills are equally diminished.

And I thought I'd hit the gym yesterday. Might have to have a more accurate level of self-awareness and settle for a long walk today and more sleep.

Went through Rebuilding Milo. Was pretty generic. Doc did the same battery of tests that are mentioned. The introduction makes the same false attribution of pain to dysfunction that Starrett loves to ramble about. Kinda disappointing that they've not bothered to update their knowledge despite the theory being obviously wrong. The chapter about ice is pretty asinine as well especially trying to slide in a mouse study with crush injuries as the same as someone straining a hammy.

As a nice anecdote, I've found compression/ice to be greatly useful in treating ankle sprains since any rehab is basically impossible with meaningful swelling and ultimately getting to that point where I can do silly band exercises is the key. Also, I'm doing ice/compression within a few hours, sometimes a few minutes, rather than the ambiguous 72hrs many studies utilize. Maybe one day we'll get better quality science, but w/e.

Regardless, great book to have as a resource on what sort of mobility tests you'll see and a range of rehab exercises. If you wanna go make sure your PT isn't crazy, seems like a great use of money.

So none of those exercises/remedies helped your issue at all?

I certainly have not tried every single exercise or mobility drill. But "doing random stuff" in the hopes that something works seems... pointless at best. Actively counterproductive would be more apt. Regardless I've had an actual medical doctor run me through an assessment and he didn't think I have any underlying causes of dysfunctions in terms of mobility/strength, so I'm rather dour on the prospects of that realm holding much. OTOH I will be getting a second opinion in a month and do have some scar tissue in my shoulder from this or other prior injuries so potentially debridement may be an option. I'm still rather early in the "hope I regain reasonable function" journey.

Have you looked into and/or considered a consult with Barbell Medicine's pain/rehab team?

https://www.barbellmedicine.com/consults-and-contact/

That may be worth a try.

Thanks! I may indulge pseudo-doctors once I exhaust actual doctors. I also may fly back to the US to consult an actual professional at some point, but paying some money for a web based consult that vaguely specializes in middle age office workers masquerading as athletes is probably more reasonable than a doctor who specializes in real athletes halfway around the planet.

I'll mark this as a "look into" before I start globe trekking for someone to take a dremel to my shoulder capsule.

At least these pseudo-doctors realize that they're pseudo-doctors!

Yeah, I read over the site and it seems they are pretty clear about being PTs and specifically suited for people who lift things. That is nizz.

I went to another doctor. This was a shoulder specialist ortho who treats mostly athletes and the occasional middle age autist who thinks they're an athlete. He does not think PRP is an effective treatment strategy in the absence of a real diagnosis, which it obviously is not. Long story short, I am being treated for chronic bursitis (the kind that doesn't go away). I received a cortisone shot that cost me $4. Apparently I am unlucky and having an allergic reaction that makes the joint sore for a couple days, so that isn't positive. On the positive side, it seems to be helping to alleviate the symptoms and I have 10 weeks of guided therapy to avoid making a tough decision on whether to get the shoulder scoped or not. While I would like full function, I'm not sure the downside of surgery + recovery for a very dubious positive outcome would be worth the very marginal gain to my quality of life. Of course, I may reconsider this if my condition worsens, or I really really wanna Olytard. I did have some interesting notes from the radiologist that I could have anterior ligament scarring, which apparently isn't linked to what I'm feeling or I'm very bad at explaining it.

It also appears that jmakin will be winning all tax v income bets going forward as I personally no longer make any money as I have pushed it all into an overseas family office. Joke's on me.

HNY everyone!

I got some PT. My joint is stronger and feels more stable but is still impinged. It looks like I'll probably never press again and probably won't be doing OH Olytarding unless the next three months of rehab make a lot of progress. I can now lift wine bottles and other things from OH without a popping sensation. So that is pretty great for day to day QoL.

Prob won't be taking any workout goals seriously until I get house built and gym installed. Will prob be looking for exciting recommendations for Eurotard power racks, and maybe a set of DBs? Maybe if I order now, I can have everything ready in 18m when I have somewhere to live.

Happy New Year, glad to hear you have had some progress with shoulder issues

+1, congrats on building your house. Just about to move into a new one myself, which theoretically actually has space for a garage gym.

TY guys. It isn't really much, but appears that I just need to do things I can. (Prob long term that means tons of iso work.)

Weirdly no one here has a garage. Has to do with it being actually cold and you rust out anything continually melting the ice on the undercarriage. "Shed gym" just doesn't have the same ring sadly.

Hi Tha remp