Hint: It's the same reason you eat mini donuts for lunch. And cookies, and brownies, etc...

Yeah I got this same stuff for my girlfriend's dad.

You go to the vape store and some kid pro vaper probably works there. You say, hey this person can't stop smoking. He then says, I got this. Comes back with the proper pen and some facking cartridges and little salt nicotine bottles with donut and bluebberry and says smoking game over.

You gotta pretty dumb not to go in and get started. I mean how many facking years does smoking take from us? I think it was 10. And then add obese and no exercise? Holy shiet, she has got ten years to live. Scary.

I went from 15 cigs a day, to those over the counter pens that last about a day. Then i got a more expensive rechargeable one. Now I am taking smoking cessation drugs and am off vape for 3 days now.

Whole process took 6 weeks and had very little discomfort apart from when i tried to cold turkey the vape very early. What you are going through, as I have mentioned several times at length, is mental addiction, and you need therapy to address this stuff. It’s tied to all of your other issues with food

lol ****ing groundhog day!

Hang in there MLY. Smoking is a notoriously hard thing to quit and should be proud of yourself for making progress.

I wouldn’t recommend just replacing smoking with some vape lord crap. I would get off it completely. Seems like the same damn thing to me.

That's kind of the point. It feels like the same thing while being much less lethal

Smoking will cost you 10 years.

We don't know vaping yet but there is no way it's anywhere near 10 years. In one of them, you inhale water vapor with some chemicals. In the other, you inhale smoke with 7000+ chemicals with research that concludes it causes 90% of all lung cancers!!

I wouldnt be surprised if the vape pens are carcinogenic in some way. But most things are. Bottom line is loco’s right, there’s absolutely no reason to be smoking cigs in 2019. Some of the pens now even hit/smell like a cigarette if that’s your thing.

She got a throat infection one time tho

I guess the point im trying to make is that substituting a drug is much worse than getting rid of it altogether.

I think we could all agree to: cigarrettes<vape type things< some nicotine replacement like gum/lozenges< not doing it at all.

So naturally, I would encourage not doing it at all as opposed to vaping. Of course, if you put a gun to my head and told me to choose between some vape device or a cigarette. I'd probably do with the vape device, but I'm not happy about it AT ALL.

IMO the lifestyle that addiction burdens you with is much worse than the death it may cause you. I smoked cigarettes for about 5 years of my life, quit, was totally abstinent from tobacco or nicotine products for several years until I picked up cigar smoking. Again, I felt like the biggest downside was not the horrible, horrible (possible)death awaiting me in the far future as much as it was the immediate control it had over me in my day to day life. That need to feed the beast. Having to scratch that itch again, and again, and again. Having it shape my lifestyle and things I would or would not do.

Deadfish,
Along the same lines, would you discourage a heroin addict from switching to kratom?

I don’t know anything about kratom. Is it dangerous and/or addictive?

This is also a loaded question, now isn’t it?I can’t really say “no” because then I guess I’m kind of a hypocrite, and I can’t really say “yes” because that sort of implies I’d prefer somebody stay on heroin.

Along the same lines, would you prefer somebody get off drugs completely or use different drugs than the one that they are on?

I'm order of preference:

1. Get off the harmful drug completely (very difficult for most addicts)

2. Replace the harmful drug with one that's much less harmful (much easier and more realistic for most addicts than preference 1)

3. Continue using the harmful drug

It seems we are in agreement

Seems like 2 has more EV than 1 for most.

Smoking Is what is she is trying to avoid. Later she can worry about nicotine.

But it's too late. She is a goner. SOS. SOS. SOS. Sedentary Obese Smoker.

She was a pretty girl. She had beautiful eyes. And was sweet. We both majored in the same, here in Texas Taken from us, way too young.

RIP

Lol I have to say loco's posts are entertaining.

M, now that you're on the Chantix just TRY going one full day without smoking. Once you've reached a milestone like that it might spur you on. It worked for me and I was the worst smoker you could imagine.

Thanks Sumey.
I made it three days not smoking at all during the work day and it felt so good, then I would smoke one at lunch and then on the way to work. I can go a full day, one step at a time.

Deadfish,
I completely agree that the lifestyle of smoking is way worse than the thought of death by smoking. You are really a slave to it and it affects every aspect of your life and controls every day.

I'm playing poker this weekend with Code3 and generally I would always be trying to slip away to smoke. I tried to get us to eat separately before the tournament yesterday just so I could smoke and he was like, "No, we are going to go together."
That really made me think about all the time I've missed spending with him and my daughter because I had to go smoke and how I'm just thinking about it constantly and how I can get away from ppl just to smoke.

Right now it isn't withdrawals that are making me smoke, but pure habit. When you know you will have withdrawals, you get anxious and have to make sure you have time to smoke.....I've got to get this out of my head and know that everything will be fine.

Four days without logs?
Be accountable, let’s go

I've got two of those days logged.

Yesterday will be hard as I had some weird stuff from the buffer. Some chicken curry stuff,chinease noodles, pasta, lemon square, half of piece of pecan pie. Half of chilies chicken and waffles +street corn for dinner, one small bag of Dorritos during one of the breaks.

Friday I had the Buffalo and blue cheese burger from smash burgers, half of a schlotzskys chicken flat bread, taco salad, and sausage egg+cheese croissant.

Bout to start the tournament!!!

Oh, you sweet summer child.

She is alive!!!!!

That's thing, this SOS damage is close to 100% reversible at her age. I was older when I reversed my fatness and sloth.

But she is running out of time, especially with the smoking. Just a heartbeat is all we hear from her. Vaping instead of smoking and adding exercise would really get her back in the game. The fatness can be addressed later and it partly is addressed by exercise.

Just made the final table. I've got a good stack, but I'm chopping as soon as anyone brings it up. I'm so tired now and still have to drive 3 hrs and go to work tomorrow.

Had 2eggs, 2sausage patties, strawberry jelly, 2 pieces of toast,1/2 reuben sandwich today.

Don’t forget the celebratory SBC on the way home.