yeah he can for sure, but it will be miserable. Theres a guy in UFC (Anthony Johnson) who weighs like 220+ that used to cut for 170

OP, is this bet with a good friend? If so, I think doing extreme water cuts and butt colonics in lieu of actually buckling down and fixing what your problems with food actually are goes pretty heavily against the spirit of the bet, but that's just me. Regardless, I think it would behoove you to use this as a starting point towards losing more weight, if you're interested, as 213 at your height is still a fair bit overweight. Going on an extreme water cut and yoyoing back up to 230 one day after winning the bet doesn't seem like it is going to be all that great for your overall well being.

Yea, I'm not sure I'd even recommend RFL on cat 1 anyway, at that point you're really asking for muscle loss I think (if you're a true 14-15% that is, not some 17% schmuck who wishes he was leaner - like me). Appetite probably varies a lot, but I think to the average person starting a cat 2 or 3 RFL stint, I stand by not drinking calories as an awesome tip. I'm definitely confirmed weird though.

Did you actually do 1 or 2 cat 1 stints yourself? If so, any thoughts on how that went? Would you contend my first sentence?

Fairly sure I only did 1 stint as cat 1, and I wholly agree with you. BF loss wasn't much better than on a regular diet, weirdly enough. Would not try again ever. Then again I'm never doing RFL again either.

iirc calorie intake is 1/3 lower as cat 2, around 800 cals or so for me...that **** was rough as ****. Would never try doing that without the EC stack.

Whaaat really? I'm rarely under 1000 calories. 200g protein + 200 calories veggies. Get some more LBM broheim.

Anyway, sorry for the thread spamming OP, lol.

Yes, it's with a good friend. And I'm actually going to be living with him a week after the weigh-in. After the bet I am still going to be on a lifestyle change as my personal goal is to get to 180.

i think his book says he doesn't even cardio.

OP, i did the RFL earlier in the summer and lost a decent bit of weight.. went from about 270 to 245. I was at around 800-1k cals a day with a 3 mile walk once a day. I'm trying to get down to about 225 or so.

Good Luck, and i look forward to hearing more about the progress.

Sentence 1: Weird
Sentence 2: Ridiculous
Sentence 3: True, if you're gonna do it.

To clarify (since my use of the word awesome has been quoted twice now), I meant that it gives good results, not that it's a good experience. It sucks balls, for sure.

Effective, I suppose. I think having done it multiple times is more egregious.

On one hand this is hijacking the OP discussion. On the other, OP claims after the bet he will transition to "lifestyle change," so this is relevant.

How come? Lots of people repeat cycles of RFL and handle it totally fine, at least according to what I see on Lyle's forum. With that said, I probably don't do it as rigorously or as often as I might be implying. Sometimes I do RFL-weekday/maintenance-weekends in order to sustain a normal (or slightly faster) rate of weight loss while feeling relatively uninhibited on the weekends. These types of stints really don't suffer from the same mental beatdown that a traditional RFL cycle does.

I think it really depends on the individual. Obviously it's not truly teaching you how to live a rational lifestyle of moderation - but at the same time it does a really good job of getting you into the habit of eating lots of vegetables and basing meals around protein.

Grunching, but did OP really engage in a 1lb/day weight loss bet? I feel like that's an auto loss unless you're morbidly obese.

Just went and got most of my stuff for my start tomorrow...couldn't find 3% fat ground beef anywhere, only 7% was all I could find going to multiple stores.

7% fat ground beef
baby spinach
kale
lettuce
cucumbers
celery
boneless/skinless chicken breasts
fat free cheese
cod
crab meat
egg whites
lemons for water

Ok, so today was my start day. I will probably keep posting at night after all meals are finished.

Started at 244.5 lbs after waking up and using bathroom.

Breakfast- 12 tblsp egg whites for 100 calories and 20g protein
1/2 cup fat free cheese for 90 calories and 18g protein
5 fish oil pills for 62.5 calories

Lunch- 8oz 7% fat ground beef on george foreman grill for 46g protein and 340 calories
1/2 cup fat free cheese for 90 calories and 18g protein

Dinner-6oz grilled chicken breast for 40g protein and 220 calories

Also had 2 celery stalks and a few handfuls of baby spinach for every meal and about 90oz water

According to Lyle's plans and my LBM I am supposed to be taking in about 150g protein per day and I ended with...

142g protein and 802.5 calories. Lyle said most people should be around 400-800 calories per day

edited: Originally put 3oz crab meat for 20g protein and 200 calories to finish at 1002.5 calories but I put it back in fridge since I would be over by 200 calories for the day.

edit: 902 cals instead of 802, need to make some minor adjustments

8/15

Woke up today at 242.3

Breakfast- 5 fish oil pills for 62.5 cals
4 egg whites for 100 calories and 20g protein
3oz crab meat for 100 calories and 20g protein
1/4 cup fat free cheese for 45 calories and 9g protein

Lunch
6oz grilled chicken for 220 calories and 40g protein
Melted 1/4 cup cheese over it for 45 cals and 9g protein

Dinner
4oz of 7% fat ground beef for 170 calories and 23g protein
3oz crab meat for 100 calories and 20g protein

842.5 calories today and 141g protein

Also had some baby spinach and celery and made some kale/spinach combo in magic bullet

I am weighing all my food out to be more precise than just looking at the back of the package also. Anything else I should be adding? This is my first log

Thanks

8/16

Woke up and weighed in at 240.5

I'm sure this is going to be really repetitive since there just aren't many foods you can eat, but I will continue to keep up the log.

Breakfast- 5 fish oil pills for 62.5 cals
4 egg whites for 100 calories and 20g protein
3oz crab meat for 100 calories and 20g protein
1/4 cup fat free cheese for 45 calories and 9g protein

Lunch
6oz grilled chicken for 220 cals and 40g protein
1/4 cup fat free cheese for 45 cals and 9g protein

Dinner
6oz grilled chicken for 220 cals and 40g protein

Also made 2 veggie shakes just tossed in kale and baby spinach in the magic bullet with some crushed ice and water and slammed it.

Went on a mile walk just to get out the house and stay a bit sane.

total today was 792.5 cals+138g protein

Hard to really add up the kale/spinach since I just grab a handful or two.

8/17

weighed in at 239.0

Today was a cheat meal since I am category 3 ( the fatty category ) and we are supposed to have two per week...I might try to keep it at 1 depending on how I feel in the next few days.

Went to Jersey Mikes and got a regular pastrami on wheat with swiss and a bag of baked lay's bbq chips. Off the website it says that sandwich is 690 cals and 50g protein. The chips were 130 cals and 2g protein.

The handbook says to lift 2x per week so I went to the gym and lifted, worked biceps, back, shoulder and legs 3 sets of 10 each. Then I walked back ( casual pace ) 1.6 miles.

Had a vanilla protein shake when I got back for 130 cals and 30g protein. Didn't drink as much water today so I need to pick it up.

Total for today was about 950 cals from food and 62.5 from fish oil pills totaling 1012.5 calories and 82.5g protein. Back on the grind tomorrow trying to keep it under 800 cals and around 140-150g protein and 100 oz water.

I'm just going to give weekly updates since I'm basically eating the same thing every day. After 5 days finished I'm at -6.5

Congrats, what's the weight at now? ~235?

Ya was 237.9 this morning after 5 full days

Weekly update is fine. But update your daily average caloric intake for the week and of course your weight. So something like this

Week1 1142 avg daily cals Weight 242
Week2 1092 cals Weight 237


Etc etc maybe include the macro distribution

So we can see the magic as it occurs. Also take noodz.

Will do

Up your protein a bit more. Its incredibly important on this diet

Maybe the initial water weight he lost was really just dehydration, and the week he appeared to eat nothing yet gain was just getting rehydrated.