Yooooooo wuts up people. It’s been a hella long time. So my fitness life completely tanked once my marriage started falling apart due to my law enforcement career (diff hours/ lack of communication/ intimacy/ etc). It was a very hard time for me and the lowest point of my life id have to say. From going from basically my first girlfriend in my life I met as a senior in high school to being now divorced is a tough pill to swallow. However the worst is behind me now after moving to a apartment near my job, working on myself being the best version of myself and getting a new circle of people who are actually real dudes helped a lot. I didn’t want to share that on an online forum but I feel comfortable enough with the group of people that roam the streets here to do so, which is kind of odd since I never met any of you.

Enough of that. As a correctional officer now having 5 years on I make about 75k but realistically like last year I made 95k with overtime. This year I’m on pace to make 105k I believe. I applied to become a parole officer and within my institution I have been recognized and respected by the no bullshit supervisors and administrator as being one of the officers they trust. They promoted me to the search / raid squad due to this and I have been noticing they are trying to get to know me a little better even though I go out of my way to mind my own business and not bother anybody. I’ve never been a boot licker and never will be one. You can respect me for the job I do but u will never see me sucking up or buying them donuts. I give them valuable information because I am observant and the inmates respect me. The inmates know me as the lock up guy so snitch out other inmates they are jealous of or won’t sell drugs to them etc. There are also a lot of dirty staff members whether they are officers, social workers, civilian staff etc. Obviously I cannot prove that but it’s a work in progress to get the dirt out.

So where does that bring me? I am finally at a place where I’m happy to be in. I’m in a good head space and it took a long time to get here. I can’t even think about getting involved in another relationship right now but I am currently talking to many different girls and I have a good life balance right now. Poker playing took a hit due to the girls and night life but I need to look my best to keep up with the dating apps/ market so that brings me to this thread. My goal is to eventually look jacked at 170 lbs that’s it. I think it’s a realistic goal then I can just maintain after that or up my size using creatine now that I’m getting older. It’s good to be back!! Stay tuned.

Damn bro, that sux about the divorce.

She looked like a hottie, probably out of your league. But it also looked like she was chunking up.

So no big deal, get ripped/get younger girlfriend.

Killing at work too, raid squad sounds better than beating up child molesters. Breaking 100k? Nice, beats slinging coffee for 15 bucks an hour, that's fosho.

Don't know about the creatine. Be careful that shiet causes cancer and increases incidence of cardiovascular disease.

I'm sorry to hear about your divorce, man. She did not look like a hottie, she looked actually quite ugly and was below your league. But alas, with a career like yours it's going to be tough maintaining a marriage even if you have a good compatible match without a huge discrepancy in physical appearance. It seems like really tough work and it's great you've been able to handle it. Also, how old are you again?

Maybe a trip to SEA or South America is in order next time you have some time off


Creatine is up to you. Just like any other substance, some will respond positively and some will respond very negatively and it's tough to figure out which camp youre in even after you start until you've been using for years. Throw the dice knowing this. I think your diet and training are in order enough to contemplate it. I asked myself if it was worth shortening my life 10-15 years (just an estimate, it might be much less or much more) and my answer was absolutely, but everyone's got different priorities.

The most important part of bodybuilding is eating meat/fish and rice or potatos 4-6 times a day. When it comes to programming just do what you enjoy.

Sorry to hear about the divorce, though it sounds like it's for the best; sounds like you're doing well navigating your job though. Interested to see if/how creatine goes, especially if it includes an Evo meetup in Thailand once he escapes lockdown.

Bummer on the divorce.

Great news on getting everything back together!

I am known as "the pharmacist" in our little lifting bros group here and a certain feet enthusiast finally allowed me to advise him on optimizing his hormones (for health, not performance) which has resulted in a great increase in the frequency of turgidity despite the arrival of a newborn and a city-wide lockdown. God that is so TMI...

NGL, I'd love to see what EV could do if he said "**** it" and went in hard and did proper bodybuilding cycles. I think he might surprise you guys. He's not going to turn into a 230lb shredded on stage mass monster or anything, but he could totally look like a men's physique ifbb pro. Remember that while this guy had a bit of trouble adding muscle+eating at a surplus without panicking, he had some legendary natty-cuts. Most gymrats on gear do not look as good as peak shredded vintageEV. I will totally coach him on diet+PEDs for free. And as we know from G4S, being hy00ge is only ever going to make dealing with inmates or other guards easier.

That's really sad about the divorce, but I'm glad to hear you're doing better! Welcome back.

been 8 days bro, when we getting a training/diet log entry ?

Was wunderin' about this last night too; hopefully he's on his purpose and not brown-nosing his superiors like a beta-cuck simp.

As a serious aside, I actually am somewhat interested in his take on the prevalence of creatine among guards and the pluses/minuses of some of downstream effects other than pure muscle/strength increase (e.g. would increased aggression as a guard help or hurt overall? Likely specific to the exact job situation? Feels like tren would be a bad idea, right?)

Appreciate the support my dudes.

Re:Marriage
It was def the best outcome given all the factors that led up to it. Putting my foot down and leaving civilly was the hardest thing I ever had to do. I hid it from everybody I knew so I went thru it all alone which wasn’t healthy but I got through it in one piece and the gym was my outlet. If it wasn’t sure the gym I would of resorted to other measures to cope with the pain of that decision so I thank god that this is the life I chose and have it as a positive outlet. Also guys I rather not talk about physical features/ comparing us because she is an incredible woman and any guy that connects in a way that I unable to with her is a lucky guy. But I’m not the one for her. I will always wish her the best.

Re work:
It’s nice to finally have some respect to my name. I am proud I have come a long way. I don’t care about what position I am I could be a grunt worker but at the end of the day all I care about is respect and it is earned. I have changed my ways into a more confident alpha male while maintaining my morals and sweet personality with a slight bad boy attitude (women tell me this is an attractive feature).

ReGym:
Will update gym pics at some point I’ve been killing it

From what I created this thread to now. Long hair now + nose ring. No I’m not in a mid life crisis I’m just living my life the way I want to now.

From 172 lbs started the cut to now 173 lbs lol but much bigger.

sorry about the divorce. it's my biggest nightmare, outside of major health issues for my kids/me/close family

But if it isn't right it isn't right and you need to rip off the bandaid. You also managed to break before kids which is 10x cleaner. Sample size of less than 10, but all of my friends who got divorced are in a far better place now than when they were married. Some of them it took a while but none of them regret it. I'm sure it'll be the same for you

Yes maintaining any sort of relationship is very difficult with my career. That is why I’m embracing what I enjoy - the gym and some sort of life balance.

I’m 34 and my diet is pretty trashy. Yes I follow calories/ protein but I do have a sugar obsession which on gear is a no no.

It’s sad it didn’t work out but the divorce is actually a good thing. Who wants to be miserable just to maintain a status.

I already have creatine in my house but afraid to use it cause I know nothing about this game. I am super super particular/ anal about this stuff as you guys could tell about my previous cuts. I think in another life I could have been a pretty successful drug dealer. With me- once my mind is set nothing can get in my way that’s why my cuts were so great and my bulks were so bad. In retrospect my bulks i was always like let me see how I look but I never truly gave myself a fair shot to grow. I was too scared of getting fat and looking sloppy. Prob some sort of body dysmorphia but who knows.

Anyways, I am interested in your offer but knowing my nature I would never be in the **** it stage I would like to do small doses and prob nothing too drastic. Not my style. I’m not even sure what a proper bodybuilding cycle is. I’m not trying to rely on cycles for the rest of my life either. I want test to produce naturally.

Always on my purpose sirrrrr and never brown nose that’s super ghey

I am already battling with my snappy attitude that I developed from this job so increased aggression for me in particular is a big no no. My ways of a confident alpha male gets me into trouble too in and outside of work so I’m currently trying to balance it out and settle down a bit. but yes in order to get their respect I have get close to them and yell at them to show I am not scared of them. As a result this developed a bit of a chip on my shoulder and made my attitude a bit more snappy but it is the nature of the job unfortunately. Also it made me a tad bit more judgmental about people who are weak which I never would do in the past.

To answer your question yes increased aggression is not good. Overall strength and size will help any CO to avoid conflict while gaining compliance in most cases.

Fair enough, if it's not for you don't let me or anyone else try to convince you. It's your individual decision.


But one thing I would very strongly advise against is "I'll just do one quick 16 week cycle to get my natty potential then back to natty bro". This is dumb af, if you go on, get ready to commit for 3+ years.

I just mean why the need to do a hard core cycle. What’s wrong with small doses for a few years with gradual increases?

I say at least 5'9 200 ripped. Show that little blonde you weren't out of her league.

Or 160lbs skinnyfat natty.

Go big or go home. More plates more dates. None of this 175lb tinybro bullshiet.

I’m not willing to do it hard core just a taste. Prob 180 ripped?

Oh that's fine, just none of this "I'm gonna do one cycle then get off and go back to natty" nonsense. "Hard core" cycles are anything with combined injectable doses over 3g/wk (not counting

You won't need a hardcore cycle for 5'9 shredded 200lbs, can probably get there in a year using "low doses".

I think you'd do so well because you were one of the most disciplined eaters when you put your mind to it and eating is just a lot more important than training when it comes to body composition goals.

Oh yeah that’s what I had in mind. One cycle only is silly. This is my lifestyle I live for this **** id be willing to work with you when I hit my genetic potential. Who have u helped and u have pics of their results?

Oh, pics looking great btw. Crazy how fast bicep vascularity came back. How are you training these days? PHAT still?

I'm doing 5 day pro split and loving it. There's a reason most bbers train this way and they would have figured it out if something worked significantly better when there's hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Test+deca offseason if enhanced, bodypart split, high volume, chicken and rice. It's basically that simple. PHAT is gonna work fine too ofc.

I want to go back to PHAT but right now it’s kind of a mess. I’ve been training everyday for the past few weeks but most weeks I’ll train 6x/week and if I’m really sore I’ll do 5x. Also I’ve had so many back injuries I’m staying away from squats/ deadlifts for the time being.


Legs 1
Hack squats 3x10 @180
Lunges 3x10 @70
Hyper extensions 3x10 @50
ST8 Leg w/ plates 3x15 @50
Prone leg curls 4x12 @130
Ab work 2-3 exercises

Upper 1 (Chest)
Bench 4x6 @70% - 225 (6/6/5)
Hammer chest press 4x8 @230
DB incline 4x10 @95 (7/7/7)
Chest dips 3x20 @bw
Pec fly 4x10 @115
Push downs 4x10 @
Ab work 2-3 exercises

Shoulders
BB seated press 4x8 @145 (6/6/6)
Duel Lateral raises 4x10 @35
Traps DB 4x12 @100
Upright rows 3x10 @90
DB seated flys 3x15 @15
Pec fly machine 3x12 @70
Chest dips 3x15 @BW

Upper 2
Chin ups 3xMax @12
BB rows 4x10 @115 (10/10/10/10)
DB Rows 4x10 @95 (8/8/8)
St8 arm cable pulldowns 3x10 @57.5
Traps 3x10 @95
Curls 4x10 @32.5
Ab work 2-3 exercises

No reason you must squat and deadlift for bodybuilding. I still do them personally because I've built so much skill in both and glutes/hams are a weakness for which I don't have a lot of altenrative equipment. But at most well equipped American gyms you can totally get by without sq/dl, especially if you never need to display ripped hams and glutes in a bodybuilding contest. Hack squats are awesome, as are the kickbacks and hip thrust exercises all the girls do.