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Old 05-10-2020, 11:37 PM   #1276
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Then there's out-of-the-womb genius that lacks social intelligence.
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Old 05-10-2020, 11:39 PM   #1277
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It boils down to nature vs nurture, but why not both?
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Old 05-11-2020, 12:43 AM   #1278
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I am not even a psychologist, but I do read and watch IQ research pretty closely just as a hobby.

It's like there's two (probably more) main competing effects: The external feedback effect and the natural self-overestimation effect. When somebody is severely cognitively disable, the external feedback they get that demonstrates their subpar cognitive ability is so powerful that it offsets the self overestimation and humility prevails. But then when in that "barely not disabled to discernably below average" range, the external feedback telling them they are below average, like being a long term losing poker player in debt or working for like $10-14/hr at starbucks at age 31, isn't quite powerful enough anymore to offset the human tendency to overestimate oneself. Then weirdly when you get into that kind of around average range, something interesting happens. Ceteris paribus, when you are dumber your propensity to overestimate yourself is stronger, but so is the external feedback signalling that you are dumb. Well if you're average and getting external feedback that you are average and you are not dumb so you are not as prone to overestimation, you end up sort of correctly assessing yourself as average and humility again prevails.

But then when you get into that "clearly above average but not genius" range, the external feedback telling you that you're special and gifted is strong enough to overpower the fact that the higher than average intelligence you do have should make you less prone to self overestimation. You were in AP classes your whole life, always found high school and post secondary was easy, maybe graduate/professional school was just slightly challenging but not enough to be a humbling experience. And people in this range tend to be the highest earners afaik. I put myself somewhere in this range and was pretty ****ing arrogant growing up, but thankfully my graduate education and actually spending time with people in that top range and realizing how much more gifted they were than me brought me back down to earth to realize I'm not that special.

But then at that top range, the external feedback demonstrating your intelligence is not enough to offset the fact that your high intelligence makes you distinctly aware of your own limitations and it ends up being a full circle back to humility...


Just speculating obviously. I'm curious to see if there's any formal work done in this area... But I'm sure, as you say, it is not simple effect where lower iq linearly correlates with the propensity to overestimate oneself.
It's not completely clear if you're aware of below based on what you wrote, but in the event you're not I'll just post it anyway. It's clear that when most people around here say "Dunning-Kruger", they're not.

Dunning and Kruger observed not only that idiots overestimated their ability, but that people who were highly intelligent underestimated their ability (one possible reason was that because the given task was so easy for them, they just assumed it would be easy for everyone else).

In fact their work basically suggested something similar to what you wrote. The correlation between one's estimate of ones abilities and one's actual abilities changes with IQ. They found that it was off on both ends of the spectrum. I'm not sure they observed exactly the same relationship in the middle of the curve as what you described (you've got more peaks and valleys, I think).

So, if you're wondering if any formal work was done in this area, it was. By Dunning and Kruger. They looked at the whole spectrum.
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Old 05-11-2020, 04:36 AM   #1279
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Yeah, I guess I should say is there any *more* formal work in the area.
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Old 05-11-2020, 04:38 AM   #1280
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wELl Ma N Iq isn't leiek your destiny okaayyyy??!?!!! I know this one guy with like 158 iq and he's a total lsoer and some people with low IQs are really geniuses. Also IQ doesn't measure streeettt smarts or peeepul skullz... you rpobably just have low EQ, f4ggot aspie.

also I wonder how and if things have changed in the digital social media age...
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Old 05-11-2020, 12:44 PM   #1281
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Ceteris paribus, when you are dumber your propensity to overestimate yourself is stronger, but so is the external feedback signalling that you are dumb.
Who are you calling a ceteris paribus, mother****er?
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Old 05-11-2020, 12:45 PM   #1282
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n1h you ****ing imbecile... she's leaving her current place in the afternoon to get to your house at night. Wow...
N1, you also have to take into consideration that you are going to be dealing with "stripper time". Whenever she says she will be there you're going to need to add 2+ hours to that. So, if she says blah blah afternoon, then expect her early to mid evening, maybe even the next day. Sometimes the lateness will come with a phone call letting you know, but the vast majority of the time she'll just be late with no explanation.

Stay plugged buddy.
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Old 05-11-2020, 06:40 PM   #1283
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What time did replacement-level unemployed stripper get there to do her laundry?
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Old 05-11-2020, 08:42 PM   #1284
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pics of clean stripper clothes or gtfo
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Old 05-11-2020, 09:35 PM   #1285
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pics of obese and unclean stripper who is out of work for reasons other than covid will never be posted because it will damage the internet image of the ABP
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Old 05-11-2020, 09:48 PM   #1286
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HE ALREADY POSTED PICS
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Old 05-11-2020, 10:34 PM   #1287
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wow what a descriptive and encompassing picture!

200lbs 5'5 with a crack addiction but still somehow obese. Also that's january is this even the same one?
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Old 05-11-2020, 10:51 PM   #1288
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BELOW AVERAGE? I GOT THE BIGGEST FCUKING HEART IN HERE INCLUDING YOU.


" You really don't. I don't remember the exact time line, but if I'm correct you're now in your 5th year of training, right? You may have had a great year 1-2, much better than almost anyone in h+f history, but you've seriously dipped off after that, likely from orienting your entire life around what men on the internet think of what women think of you. Either step out of the closet if that's the situation or stop with this "I got heart!!11" talk, because clearly you don't, as evidenced by your results, dumb****.

Even if I recall incorrectly and this is actually only the 4th year of training now, your results are mediocre/average and even humble H+F has legions who've done way more impressive things in year 4 because they had real heart.

You kind of suck at literally everything and could easily not suck at lifting or take that promotion at starbucks, but it seems like you love sucking at everything and are actively resisting any attempts at self improvement despite all this airy purpose talk. Even if your yardstick for success was analling attractive women (which is a fine enough yardstick I suppose), you're obviously going about that in an inefficient way. Move to thailand or Cambodia or something.


It's sad at this point, really. You don't have any fans left. Literally everyone is here just to mock you except maybe loco, but he's only on your side for strictly contrarian reasons. Or perhaps it's because he finds it gratifying to his own ego that he can take somebody who's intelligence level is very close to that of somebody with cognitive disability and make them into a professional gambler through his elite coaching skills. The only reason they don't post like vafongool or whatever is they don't want to scare you away so that you continue posting for their amusement and mockery. It's not exactly a mystery why; nobody hates on you for generally sucking at everything. That's not a reason to hate on anyone. But sucking at everything and displaying extreme over the top of levels of arrogance and superiority basically made all of your former fans into people who just clown on you and meme your predictable sad behaviour as a source of comic relief. " It's just so patently absurd that the only possible reaction is to laugh at it.


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Old 05-11-2020, 10:58 PM   #1289
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He literally said, "Time heals all."

Dude is playing us like Norton in Primal Fear. Respect bro, but I'm wary. I'm wary.

I think the student has become the master.
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Old 05-11-2020, 11:00 PM   #1290
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lol: "orienting."

Ban for racism imo.
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Old 05-11-2020, 11:07 PM   #1291
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Who's this mysterious thirstrape chick and where do I see more pictures of her
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Old 05-11-2020, 11:09 PM   #1292
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Being generally low IQ or having poor lifting genetics doesn't make you a bad person or doom you to failure and mediocrity and you can still do great things in athletic or career domains, but, especially in the career area, you actively resist any improvement even when it's handed to you on a silver platter. Then you ***** about ill-defined yet ubiquitous "yuppies" and constantly proclaim your superiority over them, usually for trivial and inconsequential reasons like fashion choices. Having 84 IQ or whatever, you could still probably rise pretty high in starbucks and make a lot more money and career satisfaction than people who are smarter than you with much higher levels of educational attainment. Yet despite all this talk about purpose and success, you never actually take the steps towards realizing these things.
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Old 05-11-2020, 11:18 PM   #1293
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ABP, don't get mad. Grunch don't punch imo.

He's just another dude underestimating you bro. I believe.

Learning a lot from you in fact.
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Old 05-11-2020, 11:22 PM   #1294
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evo,

thirstrape, aka selfie girl, aka homeless stripper. It's def the same girl. We've been over this.

ABP has clearly made life improvements over the last few years. Let's not forget he was living with his parents and too afraid to do anything except break even at poker and get taken out for stake dinners (that's not a typo). Sure he could've easily been making more money by doing essentially the same job by now but it doesn't matter. He's single and living with roommates, there's plenty of time to climb the coffee ladder.

As for his love life, it's same results with the opposite method. He used to put women on a pedestal and repel them by obsessing over them. Now he puts himself on a pedestal and rejects them in order to validate himself by invalidating them. It's the flip side of the insecurity coin. Someday he might find a balance. Or maybe not. Whatever. It's really not worth getting rustled about.
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Old 05-11-2020, 11:23 PM   #1295
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Oh, wait, she said: "Time heals all."

Hero said, "#thirstrape."

My god, bro. Never would've came up with such direct communication. No wonder she's a fan.
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Old 05-11-2020, 11:25 PM   #1296
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And krunic, duh lol, of course he's on a pedestal.

TREAT THEM LIKE A FAN

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Old 05-11-2020, 11:36 PM   #1297
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I think I'm with krunic here. I've been gone since halfway 2017 and as cringeworthy as it is to see the n1h 2.0, it's probably a net positive all things considered.

That being said I would much rather get a beer with the original version.
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Old 05-11-2020, 11:39 PM   #1298
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He used to put women on a pedestal and repel them by obsessing over them. Now he puts himself on a pedestal and rejects them in order to validate himself by invalidating them.
Spot on
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Old 05-11-2020, 11:40 PM   #1299
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evo,

thirstrape, aka selfie girl, aka homeless stripper. It's def the same girl. We've been over this.

ABP has clearly made life improvements over the last few years. Let's not forget he was living with his parents and too afraid to do anything except break even at poker and get taken out for stake dinners (that's not a typo). Sure he could've easily been making more money by doing essentially the same job by now but it doesn't matter. He's single and living with roommates, there's plenty of time to climb the coffee ladder.

As for his love life, it's same results with the opposite method. He used to put women on a pedestal and repel them by obsessing over them. Now he puts himself on a pedestal and rejects them in order to validate himself by invalidating them. It's the flip side of the insecurity coin. Someday he might find a balance. Or maybe not. Whatever. It's really not worth getting rustled about.
Fair. I'm excessively harsh. However with respect to his "I'M A FITNESS GOD WITH ALL HEART, NOT THESE GYMSHARK YUPPIES", I am not harsh enough.
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Old 05-11-2020, 11:49 PM   #1300
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I don't have anywhere near enough knowledge to critique anyone's fitness regimen, but I bet if I went with N1 to the gym he'd look and lift better than 95% of everyone in there. Everyone does what they need to do to motivate themselves, some are more annoying about it than others.
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