No they weren't asked about how they felt. Why do you keep saying this? If they misinterpreted the questions, then that's a different kind of dumb than being misinformed. The were asked four questions that had objectively correct answers. You're saying "Well obviously Kamala voters would be more likely to know those things". I'm not disagreeing with that part. Yes, they would. I'm disagreeing with the 'why'. It's because they're less dumb and better informed.

It wouldn't matter to you that Trump voters get their information from Orange Man who always says stuff like "inflation like we've never seen before..." , "crime like we've never seen before...". The reason Trump voters don't know is because they listen to him and thus they are less informed (which is a different kind of dumb).

We've already done this back and forth several times. If you don't think that is an "honest discussion" you've got your head buried in the sand. If you want me to, I can find you plenty of links to sources making that same argument. But I'm sure you'll just say lol mainstream media and brush them aside as biased. However, if you think it would help, let me know.

Forgot about 2+2 for some days as I'm wont to do and then

Sorry, I don't have the heart for this. Beaten down by my 2 year old's sixth cold/covid/whatever bout in ~2 months. Will to live low, please send caviar and champagne.


Wrong country, but I appreciate the thought!

No one can outpost Melk, and since 2+2 apparently doesn't move out of context posting anymore, this is likely to go on until the other guys get tired and stop posting.

We do, but we move them to this thread.

So, according to you it's not possible to bias the outcome of questions about anything? No wonder you sheep follow whatever the media tells you.

I didn't say multiple. Try one study. Or, just say it's your opinion, because that's all it is.

Except I wasn't talking about the IQ of Californians. I was talking about their shoplifting issues, which I documented as being a major issue to many there.

my grilling repertoire was limited to steaks and burgers for a long time. i got pretty good at it, but the menu was lacking. in recent years ive started including chicken, pork, and fish.

last night i grilled a tin foil pan of asparagus oiled with salt and pepper for 15 minutes while i prepped a 1.1 lb swordfish steak with soy sauce, worcestershire, brown sugar, black pepper, garlic, and ginger all in a zip lock for 10 mins before it hit the grill. i think it came out really good. it was exactly done when i cut it to check, which is best for moisture retention.

i noticed something that ive never put my finger on till now: when cooking a good piece of fish, theres a short period of fish doneness that results in a strong ocean flavor without any bad fishy flavor. before this window the fish might kill you, and after this window the fish quickly loses the ocean flavor as it dries.

if this is fish 101 just tell me stfu. im winging it.

I don't even see race anymore. Just jacked or fat. Thanks loco.

LOL, love it.

based. I wonder if he'll keep getting the women simping for him after all of his right wing tweets are revealed. I hope so.

Sure, anything is possible. But by the Rich Muny standard of prove, you haven't come close to proving it. At best, it's an interesting hypothesis.

However, when we combine a survey like that that with all of the other data (imperfect though it may be) like education levels, self-described low-info voters voting Trump and it all points one way, then a rational person would conclude that that way is likely the right way.

Sure, you can delude yourself in to believing data of any kind showing Harris voters on the whole are dumber is near impossible to find because MAGA folk are too noble to try to prove such a thing and it's most definitely not because they are smarter on average. I can't help you with that.

Yes you did. You do realize that all of these posts still exist right?

I'm pretty sure "a lot of studies" qualifies as multiple studies. You also went on to clarify that "a study" is not enough.

Well, based on the Rich Muny standard of proof nearly all claims are opinions. That would be less crazy if you didn't claim to prove things left and right with out the requisite studies and statistical significance.


Let me get this straight. To prove claims about IQ you need multiple studies showing statistical significance. To prove claims about shoplifting incidence or prosecution rates, you don't need that. Is that right? Hmm, I wonder what the reason for the different standard of proof could possibly be?

Dude would have been a in the running for a Golden Loco if he was an H&F bro.

I'm going with natty. I assume you agree.


Kind of reminds me of the photo in your log. You know the one.

I can definitely be outposted (you should see some of the sickos in the new 2+2 politard forum). Eventually the entertainment will wear off for me and then it will end. But Rich Muny is an endless font of hilarious takes. This one (which I did spend some time on, but not in proportion to how much I loved it) is probably my favorite:

Rich: You can say that support for Kamala tends to increase with educational level
Melk: Great, so that means that support for Trump will increase as educational level goes down
Rich: No

Where else are you gonna find someone doubling or tripling down on something like that without batting an eye?

Melk,

Glad you read a dictionary. You can learn something!

Melk,

posting in the 2+2 politard forum has to be the very definition of masochism. I don't kink shame though, so it's k.

Solid sequence right there.

D'oh, double post

As fascinating as the recent conversation has been, I seem to be a DYEP (particularly online).

definitely natty and I've been getting messages from my American friends on wechat about the resemblance. Not even just the individual photo but a lot of ideas he presented on his twitter page/short form manifesto/youtube etc. I do not plan on murdering or assassinating now or at any time in the future.

It's kinda funny how a specific mindset and belief set is pretty tightly correlated with a person's physical appearance and presentation... Two guys from radically different upbringings and life circumstances come to (nearly) the same conclusions about how the world works, how it should work, and both end up creating a very similar physical presentation right down to facial expressions.

Melk, Muny.

It's cool you have a lot of commitment and passion. But man... the question you guys are/were debating is incredibly uncompelling. You may as well be debating what the best episode of My Lil' Pony is.

I think it'd be interesting if Melk and Muny debated if they could go back in time to assassinate either Hitler or Stalin which one they would choose and why.

Assassinate Stalin all day baby.

Evo,

Sayre's Law (and motivated reasoning) remains undefeated!

Seriously. My HOA back in the States spent 0 time for months finding a new insurance policy which was about 10-15k a month overpriced (temp policy month to month). However, they did find time to speak to all 80 people to rearrange every parking spot for a couple elderly folks so they didn't have to walk across the parking lot (about 30ft). Then again this is pretty much what every HOA devolves into.

Charities are an even bigger lol.

On the flip side, there is atleast some personal effect in these situations. Debating religion or politics or any other idea that you have literally no control over is the height of mental masturbation. Donating money to my buddy who wants to be sheriff and will hook me up with possibly illegal evictions is politics that matters. Debating who will be President in CA where you vote literally means nothing and there is nothing you can do to affect the outcome is the exact opposite. Then again this changes if you're a billionaire, much like everything else in life.

But as we age, mental masturbation is all we really got. So might as well enjoy it.

I’d prefer to retain traditional masturbation as I age.