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10-31-2024 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by NotThremp
Yates also completely destroyed his body.

And pretty sure a top tier weightlifter is on like a 6-7m rest break for their singles. So they might attempt a bunch of 90% 1RM for 10 lifts, and somehow take two hours between some light squats and weird shoulder work (whatever them Chinese folks doing to squat jerk).

Lyle talking about his workouts at the Oly facility was always hilarious. Do something every 10-15min and eat candy in between.

But I think more to your point. There is a large envelope of "tolerable volume" on PEDs where you still make progress, but for people with real jobs it'd be generally better to err on the side of less work than the optimal amount within that envelope in lieu of spending 2hrs 6 days a week only to realize that you can spend half that time and make the same progress.
This is what I'm not sure about.... is it the same progress? Or is it sometimes actually BETTER progress because you get better recovery and even though you have fewer training sessions, you get much more out of each one because you're only ever training in a very recovered state. Obviously there can be a lot of bio-individuality, but gosh I'm not even sure if the professional North Korean and Chinese weightlifters she whooped at Phuket World Championships would not have been better off also dropping to 3-4x/wk and just ****ing sitting on the couch enjoying some television and snack food.

I don't claim to have an answer to this question, but I think there's still a non-zero possibility that 3-4x/wk is literally better than 5-9x/wk for strength sports and bodybuilding. As usual, however "it depends".

Chase Irons who I've posted in my log a few times is a 3.5x/wk guy (every other day training) and he got to 280lbs at 5'11 fairly lean with this weekend warrior approach and is pretty damn near contest shape at 240lbs.
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10-31-2024 , 02:29 AM
So there is definitely some arbitrary level of volume that is "optimal" (ignoring 19291283 other factors), I'm simply saying that there is gonna be some level of "too little" that will correspond with a certain level of "too much" in terms of actual gains. And considering we all have other **** to do (h-games), one would be better served ending up on the "too little" side rather than the "too much" side.
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10-31-2024 , 03:24 AM
Yeah I agree with that way of putting it. I'm testing it out for a few weeks and gonna try to do everything I can to not add a 4th day. We'll see how it goes!
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11-01-2024 , 01:10 AM
Hi, can rotator cuff have DOMS at the beginning? ive had shoulder impingement for 10 years. This year ive been relatively pain free with doing YTWL exercises and decided to get a personal trainer. First day of push, my rotator cuffs was firing and 2 days after ive experienced excruciating impingement pain. Not being able to rotate my arm past my shoulder width and it trying to 'rebound' back inwards. This is the 5th day and its starting to ease up now and feeling better.

Now im stuck whether it was just doms in my shoulder rotator causing all this pain and impingement , or if it was actually impingement. I Dont know whether to do another push day or not.

for example, after first pull day, i couldnt put my arms straight for about a week. So could something similar be happening here where DOMS in rotator cuffs making not full mobility of them which then causing impingement, but over time it would be better once the DOMS stop

It wasnt exactly a heavy push day. just extreme beginner push day

10kg smith machine bench press, 4kg shoulder press dumbell, 1kg lateral raises, 10kg press machine.
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11-01-2024 , 12:53 PM
Afaik genetics plays a huge role in what kind of lifting doses you need and how you respond to different kinds of training once you're past whatever your "beginner" phase is.

And ideally you want the biggest gains on the least amount of fatigue - i.e. there's no reason to up volume or especially intensity just because.
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11-03-2024 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NotThremp
So there is definitely some arbitrary level of volume that is "optimal" (ignoring 19291283 other factors), I'm simply saying that there is gonna be some level of "too little" that will correspond with a certain level of "too much" in terms of actual gains. And considering we all have other **** to do (h-games), one would be better served ending up on the "too little" side rather than the "too much" side.
it's hard to disagree with any of this, albeit I choose the other side because I enjoy training and I enjoy the feeling I get during and after it and I'd rather have that 6 days a week than 3 or 4 days.
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11-04-2024 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by The Yugoslavian
Afaik genetics plays a huge role in what kind of lifting doses you need and how you respond to different kinds of training once you're past whatever your "beginner" phase is.

And ideally you want the biggest gains on the least amount of fatigue - i.e. there's no reason to up volume or especially intensity just because.
Same with PEDs and food. huge variation in tolerance 0

training is special because it's the part thats more tied to a persons identity because its so visible, so I think people are way more likely to overdo it when compared to food or PEDs.
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11-04-2024 , 09:18 AM
Someone please explain to me why Americans believe that trump presidency=higher probability of world war iii. Given his track record of avoiding armed conflict and the democratic establishment being incredibly war hungry, I don't get it. Is there something deeper happening or is it as simple as TDS?

I think the latter, "trump bad. war bad. therefore trump like war. he dumb man, therefore he start ww3. my party good guys, we no do war". His foreign policy was relatively isolationist and he followed through on campaign promises of not entering armed conflict.

Somebody please call me a moron and explain rationally why I am wrong. I refuse to believe everyone is following the tard logic I outlined above...

to me it seems glaringly obvious that he's way less likely to send tax dollahs to Ukraine or Taiwan, and certainly not put boots on the ground. Israel... well... he's kinda stuck there... but lets not get into that... inflammatory.

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11-04-2024 , 09:44 AM
I don't think women should be allowed to vote unless they are 1. Married (to a cishet male only, others dont count), 2. Diagnosed with autism, 3. have a STEM degree.



I don't actually believe that but I am trying to be edgy and inflammatory. I'd like it if you could pretend I think that and get mad.
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11-04-2024 , 03:18 PM
I'm having fun imagining Trump's response to 9/11.
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11-05-2024 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by GuyThatGoesToDaGym
Someone please explain to me why Americans believe that trump presidency=higher probability of world war iii. Given his track record of avoiding armed conflict and the democratic establishment being incredibly war hungry, I don't get it. Is there something deeper happening or is it as simple as TDS?

I think the latter, "trump bad. war bad. therefore trump like war. he dumb man, therefore he start ww3. my party good guys, we no do war". His foreign policy was relatively isolationist and he followed through on campaign promises of not entering armed conflict.

Somebody please call me a moron and explain rationally why I am wrong. I refuse to believe everyone is following the tard logic I outlined above...

to me it seems glaringly obvious that he's way less likely to send tax dollahs to Ukraine or Taiwan, and certainly not put boots on the ground. Israel... well... he's kinda stuck there... but lets not get into that... inflammatory.

This could take a while. Let's start with some simple stuff. He ended the Iran nuclear deal. All the evidence I've seen suggests that Iran let inspectors in and they confirmed that Iran wasn't enriching uranium or whatever the **** they need to do to make nukes. When the deal ended, that ended and they started doing that stuff. Trump ended the deal based on nothing more than feels and that Obama did it and he must undo anything Obama did, because **** that guy.

I'm gonna go out on a huge limb here and just assume that Iran having nukes increases our chance of WWIII. But if you can't accept that, then I fear we're in for a real grind.
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11-05-2024 , 01:53 AM
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This could take a while. Let's start with some simple stuff. He ended the Iran nuclear deal. All the evidence I've seen suggests that Iran let inspectors in and they confirmed that Iran wasn't enriching uranium or whatever the **** they need to do to make nukes. When the deal ended, that ended and they started doing that stuff. Trump ended the deal based on nothing more than feels and that Obama did it and he must undo anything Obama did, because **** that guy.

I'm gonna go out on a huge limb here and just assume that Iran having nukes increases our chance of WWIII. But if you can't accept that, then I fear we're in for a real grind.
No, that makes sense. Thanks.

I guess I'm focused more on the Taiwan flashpoint for obvious reasons. But I suppose things popping off between Iran/Israel is actually a much bigger threat.
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11-05-2024 , 10:37 AM
It's hard for me to tell what is most likely to actually cause WWIII, so arguments could be made all around. Trump doesn't really give a F about international anything afaict....so if you think doing nothing makes WWIII less likely, then I guess he's your man, if you think doing stuff makes WWIII less likely, then Kamala is your woman.

I don't really think I understand what would or would not make WWIII most likely - my hunch is doing some things (the right things) is optimal but from US track record, we don't get everything right obv. Ummm, but, in general I don't base my vote on this since I really don't think my opinion on what would or wouldn't cause WWIII is likely to be anywhere close to accurate. Also, Trump definitely just seems prone to spazzing out and making knee-jerk decisions. Those types of decisions seem like the type that could cause something like WWIII, but again, I know I'm not an expert

While this is an extremely important scenario to minimize, I'm pretty sure almost no voters have a significant grasp of what would intentionally or accidentally minimize such a scenario.

There are much simpler and better ways to dismiss Trump imo. If I list all skills that are involved with being a good leader, he possesses a very small amount of them so I'm not sure why I'd want to vote for someone I think would be (and is) a really bad decision maker and leader. That is even before getting into policy - where he is batshit crazy.
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11-05-2024 , 12:01 PM
Usa 5000+ warheads
Russia 5000+ warheads

Then china has 500. Middle East has peanut warheads.


Trump like Putin. Trump would let Putin have a chunk of Ukraine. Trump equals much less probability of WW3.
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11-05-2024 , 10:20 PM
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Trump doesn't really give a F about international anything afaict
He seemed to give a F about overthrowing Maduro:

https://www.wired.com/story/trump-ci...e-change-plot/
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11-05-2024 , 10:35 PM
Walking home from the gym today, a woman standing on a corner said "HI SIR ARE YOU PLANNING TO VOTE TODAY?!" I said "none of your business." She looked disappointed. I kept walking.

I didn't vote today. Mainly because I don't want to put my name and address in yet another database that's going to be sold to anyone with $50 who wants it, and eventually end up on the dark web for every black hat to download at their leisure. But also because neither one of these two turkeys will do anything to prevent WW3, or do anything to slow the decline of the US empire.
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11-06-2024 , 12:08 AM
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Walking home from the gym today, a woman standing on a corner said "HI SIR ARE YOU PLANNING TO VOTE TODAY?!" I said "none of your business." She looked disappointed. I kept walking.

I didn't vote today. Mainly because I don't want to put my name and address in yet another database that's going to be sold to anyone with $50 who wants it, and eventually end up on the dark web for every black hat to download at their leisure. But also because neither one of these two turkeys will do anything to prevent WW3, or do anything to slow the decline of the US empire.
This is the blackpilled and basically correct take. It's a decision that will influence your life much less than most people want to believe.
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11-07-2024 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GuyThatGoesToDaGym
This is the blackpilled and basically correct take. It's a decision that will influence your life much less than most people want to believe.
I don't believe it's a decision that will impact my life a ton.

However, I do believe it is an important civic duty (arguably the only one in modern society). So I can't imagine not voting. I do think I may have missed some primaries but sometimes I don't have too much of an opinion on those.
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11-07-2024 , 07:26 PM
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I don't believe it's a decision that will impact my life a ton.

However, I do believe it is an important civic duty (arguably the only one in modern society). So I can't imagine not voting. I do think I may have missed some primaries but sometimes I don't have too much of an opinion on those.

Jury duty is the bigger one IMO, but weirdly people always want to get out print
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11-09-2024 , 03:34 PM
The actual warmongers, like Liz & Dick Cheney, opposed Trump and actively joined Kamala's campaign. Biden also has us in two proxy wars.

Trump talks tough early and heads off conflict. There were no new wars in his last term.
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11-11-2024 , 02:43 PM
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Jury duty is the bigger one IMO, but weirdly people always want to get out print
Oh, I've never had a jury duty summons or mailing or anything yet, forgot about that one.
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11-11-2024 , 02:45 PM
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The actual warmongers, like Liz & Dick Cheney, opposed Trump and actively joined Kamala's campaign. Biden also has us in two proxy wars.

Trump talks tough early and heads off conflict. There were no new wars in his last term.
We're their conflicts he headed off during his term? I don't remember any. War seems to be somewhat random in terms of exact timing. Except for wars we directly start imo.
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11-11-2024 , 02:47 PM
He'll now definitely have ample opportunity to demonstrate whether he can end wars though.
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11-12-2024 , 10:53 AM
lol @ discussing politics with Rich Muny, Yugo. Talk about Trump-pilled.
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11-12-2024 , 01:05 PM
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lol @ discussing politics with Rich Muny, Yugo. Talk about Trump-pilled.
Siloing themselves off from those with whom they disagree seems to have been a fantastic strategic move for the Democrats writ large; nothing makes you the big tent party more than endless purity purges and undisguised contempt for people not smart enough to agree with you!
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