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Old Yesterday, 11:29 PM   #7551
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Most of the "races" that have succeeded in climbing the American wealth hierarchy have done so by not listening to progressive rich, white liberals lecture them on how they should live their lives. I have always said don't listen to what the progressive rich, white liberals say, pay attention to what they do. Most of them actually live very "conservative" lives.
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Great, and I agree with the fact that low IQ and social conservatism are clearly correlated with possibly causal links, but nothing about the above "hate facts" regarding racial differences in IQ implies right wing ideology. If anything, the fact that there is still a very large environmental component to IQ is an argument in favor of traditionally liberal positions (chiefly, improved access to health care, nutrition, education, and reproductive rights), which I referenced many times in my posts that you refused to read because you can only argue against white supremacists alt-right strawmen. Only insane SJWs and actual white supremacists see racial IQ differences and assume the natural response must be differential legal treatment, segregation, or non-intervention.

I won't speak for Kelhus, but I still absolutely consider myself socially liberal and I believe he does too. I absolutely believe health care is a human right and that poor black communities don't have enough access to it or education or reproductive rights services and that resources should be allocated to address these problems. I don't think either me or kelhus would deny that there are clear disadvantages stemming from societal discrimination based on ethnicity and that blacks of African American descent are the hardest hit group (beside maybe native americans). We are not science denying woke SJWs, however, who will claim that 100% of differential outcomes between ethnicities are solely due to societal discrimination.

Regarding the first link, I don't know if this is some sort of personal attack, but if so you're leveling it against a biracial dude who has lived in a foreign country where almost nobody is his own ethnicity for 5 years.

The fact that you guys seem to understand the position of anyone who disagrees with you so poorly is a big argument in favor of less banning of people like molymeme, imo.

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Old Today, 12:11 AM   #7553
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Not being able to respond to this is really going to tilt Vafongol, which pleases me greatly.

I suspect most cognitive trait differences between large groups of people are mostly, it not completely, environmental. My understanding is that more careful experiments that control for environment better than the studies Charles Murray used in the Bell Curve, support this.

That being said, I have always contended that Cultural Marxism and its prescribed "reforms" are extremely regressive, and will only serve to increase environmentally induced inequality. The most relevant identity variable inequality will continue to increase on is SES, but race can be viewed as a derivative that will have a strong positive correlation for historical reasons.

The truth is that even as "overt racism" has dramatically decreased over the last 60+ years, progressive "reform" has fueled an environment based inequality increase, and most of our current reform initiatives (especially ideas surrounding police reform) will exacerbate this.
I don't know if I'd give it the label of cultural marxism, but yes exactly this. Regardless of the degree to which the differences are environmental or inherited, well intended policies can greatly exacerbate the problem of different ethnic groups ending up with different environments in which one is unfavourable to IQ scores.
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