Sure, but if you scroll up, you can see I was specifically asking about "this time".

Also, I'm not sure if you're mixing up fredd and JT, but my responses were to fredd and not JT.

Sure thing. I mean compete and utter whole cloth bull**** that is dumb as **** and doesn’t even qualify as a good try, but sure thing.

I know women who trust me enough to have shared things that have happened to them. Women are not some strange frustrating puzzle to unlock to me, they are like, people, so due to that experience it’s obvious as **** that many, many women do not report assaults when they happen or at all. In fact it is likely the majority. Since that is the case when there is no dastardly girl evil motive, only a complete moron (or someone who has another motive) would conclude that suddenly changes if they do get later find themselves place to report it. I think some people here often say stupid ****, but I don’t think you all are complete morons. So...

By the way, it’s not moral outrage I am expressing. I’m saying that I think men whose immediate response to allegations of sexual assault is to talk about why the women might be lying are likely unreported rapists acting out their fear of being reported one day. Like, not always, but sort of how evoken views a stripper. Probable. Oh sure, could be just asking questions and concern for falsely accused but they should be suspected. I don’t know, maybe not you guys. I don’t know.

Any 'defense' that includes 'he probably raped her' isn't really a defense. As much as you would like it to be.

It's an inside joke relating to the old politics forum. I don't think you said anything ban worthy, although I also dont think you are being very generous with your characterizations.

I know I am super beta, and I am pretty sure Evoken is too. Like I said, if anything it is the opposite and we are overcompensating for our own beta-ness by normalizing alpha behavior.

Nah. Like I said, you seem to be more concerned with being accused of rape than you should be. I don’t relate.

JT,

What percentage of men are, iyo, unreported rapists? Might just be melking here, but my experience with the number of occasional to frequent immediate non-believers would make your supposition concerning if true.


jdock,

At least you can take solace in the fact that you didn't flee the country, although maybe you were just too beta to do so.

ETA:

JT,

Being accused of rape is something that shouldn't be of concern now? Guess I might need to buy internet after all.

Monte,

I assume it is a formula similar to the number of ex strippers who have actually been raped vs made false accusations. Whatever that number is, they should be doubted.

Or maybe the same as the number of delayed reporters who have no reason at all to be afraid to report a life altering traumatic experience who are trying to get a dude vs actually were assaulted.

Suspect them all.

JT,

I'm just asking how many dudes are, iyo, unreported rapists; it's not a gotcha, I'm genuinely curious.

How many accusations did it take before you stopped being concerned by them? I Am curious how far I need to go before I get there.

Oh, you missed the point. I’ll dumb it down. I have never raped or assaulted anyone, or even got close to the “blurry” line cuz it was never that confusing to me, so I am not concerned with anyone accusing me at some point. I don’t need to practice all the victim blaming and denial techniques used by every actual rapist each time the subject comes up. That’s why I don’t relate. I can view and understand the situation outside of that affect.

Likely?

Monte,

Come on man. I don’t know how much more obvious I can be. I’m completely uninterested in guessing that number.

Let me give it to you straight. Two of the women I know the best were raped. Neither one of them reported it because they were traumatized, victimized and would rather have forgotten it. When they have to hear stupid ****ing *******s who never worried about being raped a moment in their lives (other than in their prison thought exercises) say that a woman who makes a delayed report is probably lying because, like, they would have told right away!!!1! It pains them. I care more about that, which is very, very common than the supposed benefit to the minuscule number of false accused. It’s a wide world tho, and full of *******s. I don’t expect these people to change to make rape victims feel okay, but I am an ******* too. I am content with making them feel as stupid as they should by turning their MRA bro logic back on them. They are only imagined victims. **** em.

Yeah, as likely as a stripper is to be lying about being raped.

So you are arguing it is likely strippers are lying when they say they are being raped? I disagree. What do you base this on?

Holy ****!

You forgot to log into your N1 account for that reply I think.

JT,

I was planning on making a snarky reply, but will pass, because I am trying to be above petty internet poo flinging contests in my dotage (although a quick perusal of my politics posting will confirm trying and doing are 2 very different things).

Anyways, I am sure you are coming from a sincere place, and you believe your hyperbole is warranted and an effective strategy for the cause. We will have to just agree to disagree on that and move along.

JT,

I think we both know I understand very well the subtext behind everything you just said, just as I'm pretty sure you understand my point was less about what the exact number was and more what it implied with respect to your statements above. Slainte in any case.

Monte,

I don’t really need be concerned with the numbers or how imperfect my analogy may be. All I need to do is look at who is being challenged to back up their point itt.

I mean it might be interesting to ask ol Evoken how many ex strippers get raped compared to how many ex strippers make up rape stories, since that is something that he actually believes is a valid point in favor of not trusting bitches and stuff, but sure, let’s ask me to defend my illustrative response posit. I mean, okay.

Jdock,

Keep fighting the good fight buddy. I’m not trying to be a better person online, not with bull**** veneers of civility. I mean, you love people telling it straight, right? Go look at my very first response itt, then look at the post directly above it, and scrunch your face up real hard and think about what I based my stripper comment on. Considering how embarrassing that misunderstanding is, particularly since I curbed the single level of nuance I was using previous by then, I can only think that your snarky reply was probably gonna be a self goal regardless. If it existed at all.

Like it used to be a bit more of a mystery to me how someone who spends a lot of time thinking about **** and applying “logic” comes to such consistently bad conclusions, but as mean as this may sound, you really have cleared it up for me in this exchange.

JT,

I must have missed the Evo/stripper stuff. I still don't think assuming people to be rapists is constructive (I realize that wasn't you, originally), especially regarding an issue this complex and multifactorial, but, as you know, I'm not much for New Politardia and its love of chubbing up for dunking on those not toeing the line.

This is not a political issue, really tho, is it? Except that my motives are virtue signaling cuz I’m a lib.

I guess I’ll spell it out again. Making rape victims feel like they will not be believed and not be trusted is harmful. Harmful to previous, current and future victims. That’s, like, a real problem. Giving powerful, famous or rich men shelter from accusations, even though you’d have to be an idiot to think that many of those men aren’t more likely to cross the line both by opportunity and the culture of entitlement, because that means they have more to lose is also harmful and enabling. Claiming that women who engage in sexual behavior with men, like say someone who gets paid by men to strip and turn them on, is less trustworthy than the ****ing thirsty throngs of men who are dumping money on them to pretend they like them, and less likely to be victim of rape when they claim it is harmful.

But, oh! Suggesting that apologists making these claims when literally nobody asked them might be more likely to have ****ed up either understanding, respecting or giving a **** at all about boundaries...rude. Very rude.

**** that. Say whatever you want about my motives. I already explained them. They are irrelevant anyway because it’s not rocket science to see I’m correct.

Y'all aren't very good at Bayes.

If you hear galloping in Montana, it probably isn't a zebra.

JT,

Thanks for ELI5ing me; typing slowly is much appreciated. That said, I understand all of it, don't really disagree with any of it, and don't recall saying anything that could be used to impute that I did. Now what?