jdock,

Montecoco,

Its all good. The truth is I consider myself more of a Clipper fan anyways. Go Clips Nation!!!

Fair enough. Happy isn't the right word for what I was trying to convene anyways. Probably stability is a better term. I am not even sure how important an emotion "happiness" is as far as guiding human action, emotion or motivation is anyways.

That probably came off more of a mysogynist rant than I intended. The point is IMO a lot of parts of 21st century neoliberal capitalist society that are being sold as liberating and empowering, especially for women, are actually the opposite. And the lower classes especially are bearing the costs of this dystopia.

I mean, when Nike (which is basically an avatar for the worse excesses of capitalistic exploitation) is championing itself as the voice of moral sensibility, and people are actually buying into it, it is probably time for some serious self reflection on what is going on.

I probably play it as "If no one knows I saw his hand, then I didn't see his hand." Then later wish I'd played it Spy's way.

Interestingly, because I later *thought about* doing the right thing, I feel better about myself personally (like when you nearly offer a soldier in uniform your first-class seat on a plane, but of course do not; "Wow, I'm a really good person for thinking of doing that."), whereas if I'd actually played it that way I'd spend the rest of the game (or plane ride) feeling like a schmuck.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN1U027A

"Weightlifting better at reducing heart fat than aerobic exercise"

Appreciate the Louis CK refernce, but I would never offer my first class seat to anyone. That's just silly. And if I did I would definitely feel like a schmuck.

But the poker scenario I do view as an ethical decision. Not that it should even matter anyways, but a single poker hand is just such an insignificant minsucule thing and it's a limit hand to boot. I feel like the level of difficulty here is pretty low as far as ethical dilemmas go.

30-50 sets in 45min seems right in line with what I think of when I see "weight lifting".

I find the idea that it is my ethical obligation to voluntarily give up EV in a multi-way pot because of someone else’s mistake strange, especially considering it is someone raising my BB.

If it had folded around to me heads up I think it would be fair to tell him I saw his hand and offer to split the pot. But multi-way it seems the best ethical decision is just to say nothing. But I wanted to get others opinions, which I did, so thanks.

I think anyone who would actually do what Spuy suggests is likely just a massive internet ethics neckbeard. Actually doing that is absurd barring some weird ass ****. In a public card room, lol.

Is the warning per session? Lifetime? Big lol at "would play the hand like I would normally". Enjoy stacking off with an overpair cause you're a dip****.

Actually, being limit HE makes it worse, because the edges are smaller, so giving up EV at all is a bigger deal. When I used to play 6 max online with poker tracker the only hands that had higher EV than just stealing the blinds for me were AA and KK.

I was basically a break even player/small winner by Black Friday when games has toughened up some, so maybe good players had more EV, but I doubt a lot more.

Edit: Actually, that is probably wrong because knowing the other guys hand is potentially so much higher EV in no limit. But folding a hand in the BB you would have otherwise played because of some ethical obligation to another player who made a mistake (who is also raising your blind for good measure) seems a little absurd.

Moving on.

I don't think we can even reliably assume MLYLT even went to see a cardiologist

Stress test and Echo is SOP on these situations. So unless you think she took the initiative to research this and fabricate the story, it is probably true.

My point is that people are taking issue with the top layer when it's a crumbly cake of bull**** and who knows how many layers deep you have to go to get something completely true.

Fair enough.

I think Code3 has been unfairly assessed tbh.

The story about the "texting for an hour in the car" when he sent a single text was pretty much the breaking point (in hindsight upon later reflection) of how inaccurate a portrait was being presented.

I don't begrudge any of the advice given to her at the time. Most people don't assume someone is making up fake dramabombs (or suicide threats) on the internet for attention, but here we are.

I said it actually doesn't matter so it's funny people are writing pargraphs regarding the thing I said matters the least

Secondly who said that you should fold your hand that you otherwise would've played? I just said play your hand how you normally would have pf, but I think it's the right thing to let people know you saw the cards. if you choose to continue with the hand.

Who said anything about stacking off with an overpair?
My point is that you should at least let people know you have this information. As for the play of the hand, go ahead and use it to your advantage. It wasn't your fault you saw them.

I didn't realize I'd get such sensitivity from people so desperate to eek out every ounce of EV from every situation.

At least put yourself on the other side and see if you would appreciate knowing if someone else in the hand saw another players cards.

Solid response to specific questions.

"In any case I think overall you should play your hand how you would normally play it and let the player know."

?!?

Don't think you even realize the horse**** you wrote.

Yeah he had some real nuggets in there. Shame I'll never finish the series. I'm pretty sure I'd heard something similar in an audiobook or TED talk about the neurology of willpower or something (vaguely remember knowing the term for that sort of phenomenon. At the time, but not now)--so similar I assumed that was where he got it from as well.

I think with my low levels of impulse control, the thing is I never really face "dilemmas" about what to do in advance. Like by the time I realize there was ever a decision to be made I've already acted. The tendency seems to be not "the right thing" to have already been done.

BB play in a high rake environment involves defending a ton of hands that are close. Nobody suggested you fold a slam dunk profitable hand like J9 suited or something. Folding a hand that has an EV of +/- 0.2bb (a large percentage of hands qualify) costs you next to nothing and allows you to sidestep a possible ethical dilemma so why not do it?

Like I said, first rule of LHE. When you are not sure what to do in real time, call.

jdock,

How do you feel about charging people more money for stuff on the basis of color?

Like "Hey brown man, ice cream is 2x than for the white people".

Why did the n1 thread get nuked?

I gave away details making it easy to find "old sleezeball" and then at least one donk from here started following both Stacy and sleezeball making it possible to find out what hes been saying here by either should they have cared to Google the name.

nuclear, indeed

This poker conversation is dumb, it's not your responsibility to protect another player's cards. As long you don't do anything shady or illegal to get the info, go at it man.

That's how every business in the world basically works. They legally push the boundary til it starts getting gray.