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03-20-2019 , 06:41 PM
If anyone feels like arguing with people, here's a good thread.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...drome-1738825/
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03-20-2019 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rexx14
If anyone feels like arguing with people, here's a good thread.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...drome-1738825/
I just clicked over, read the first page and I hate that thread so much.
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03-20-2019 , 07:06 PM
I wish non-ironically posting a Dr. Eric Berg video was the worst thing in that thread, but unfortunately it's not even close. I tried posting a few times, but it's pointless; KC may still be fighting the good fight, though.
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03-20-2019 , 07:16 PM
My younger brothers and dad are well obese. They are all intermittent fasting. It's infuriating to watch them continue their terrible relationships with binge eating and counting the initial weight loss, when they were more strict, as proof of concept even as it fails them now.

I really hate these fad diets. I mean if you are a fit and disciplined person and want to try out different things as a hobby, great. If you are not and looking for a magic formula that lets you drink milkshakes or eat piles of bacon or gorge yourself at 2pm every day just so you can see the number fall on the scale...makes me sad.

ETA: I couldn't even bring myself to sardine it up in there, Rexx. That's how upset I am.
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03-20-2019 , 07:20 PM
You gave it a go Monte.

Johnny,

There's a lot of fish talk in there but nobodies mentioned sardines I think! It's unfortunate weight loss is such a huge moneyspinner that people will sell anything.

This post was funny though.

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What's most important is that for whatever nutrition & exercise plan works for you, you should go to the internet and claim superiority over anyone who disagrees with your methods
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03-20-2019 , 07:32 PM
That thread had to have gained steam from this article https://www.1843magazine.com/feature...of-the-calorie

I can't believe the Economist reposted in their magazine. Now I can't ever take anything on economist seriously.

I fell asleep like 3/4 of the way, but it was bad.

This article on ESPN, on the other hand, was awesome.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2...-albert-pujols

The realities of aging when you not raging at 5000 ng/dl
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03-20-2019 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rexx14
You gave it a go Monte.

Johnny,

There's a lot of fish talk in there but nobodies mentioned sardines I think! It's unfortunate weight loss is such a huge moneyspinner that people will sell anything.

This post was funny though.
HEY! I went back and read more and found this!

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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
Skipping breakfast lol, what kind of madness is this? First thing you should do in the morning is eat three cans of sardine filets (packed in spring water!) chewing 15 times for each bite, and then move on with your life.
I eat olive oil packed tho for some fat.
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03-20-2019 , 07:51 PM
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HEY! I went back and read more and found this!



I eat olive oil packed tho for some fat.
You don't eat 3 tins though?! Do you chew more or less than 15 times per bite? Please be specific.
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03-20-2019 , 08:03 PM
I don't know how it became acceptable for JT to steal my 3 cans of tuna for breakfast breakthrough to solving obesity by changing it to sardines. It took me years to finally realize that cure for obesity. And he just plain steals it and rebrands it with sardines. Ok, better fats but basically the same thing.
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03-20-2019 , 08:07 PM
You gotta keep up loco. Sardines are the tuna for hipsters, environmentally friendly and very low in mercury! Win win.
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03-20-2019 , 08:10 PM
I agree they are better but I came up with this like in 2013. JT didn't even lift back then and had the posterior chain of a 12 year old.
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03-20-2019 , 08:18 PM
loco,

At least he lifts now, though.
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03-20-2019 , 10:28 PM
Loco, tuna has too much mercury and is overfished. You were advocating poisoning fatties and ruining the ocean. Tuna to sardine is like cable to freeweight.

As long as we are all gathered here I hit bw ohp for 4 reps today. Then did leg extensions.
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03-21-2019 , 10:27 AM
Speaking of updates; "****ty". Slight elaboration, but we have definitely reached the point where she would want the details kept private (evidently I need to [shudder] speak to my in-laws [/shudder] to tell them things have not been going well despite what they may have heard.);

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My therapist thinks I should go ahead and start crying whenever it seems like I'm going to and that my "showing weakness is for the weak" mentality may not be capturing the nuances of what I'm going through.

Being serious for a second; still a few weeks to see if the chemo portion is going to be effective and/or if wife can "handle" it and/or if it is in fact even causing some of her newer (slightly more life-threatening) symptoms OR if it is just things...running their course. I am not optimistic and do not want to be in denial but I am also not a doctor and "just get through this" *does* seem like a thing I need to do, even if that has in general become a destructive hangup for me. I should probably acknowledge she may not make it the few weeks.

Wife is on a pregnancy-level sliced smoked salmon fixation craving. Vaguely recall hearing something recently about how smoked meats and processed ones (deli meats) are the "real" problem behind things like pork. Anyone else hear that and/or looked into it? Can't remember where I heard it or when aside from it being right after I bought some deli meat. At any rate I...probably won't sweat it from the wife's health perspective.
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03-21-2019 , 10:52 AM
I will not abide this attack on smoked meats, be it via a very sad vehicle or not. I thought the problem with grilled meats was high-temp carbonization. Iirc. I identify strongly with smoking meats, please don't introduce any new information that doesn't conform with my world view. kthx.

Anyway, you should cry if you want to cry - feel your feelings, bruh. I'm glad you can type here.
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03-21-2019 , 10:58 AM
I mean, unless the doctors say it actually interferes with treatment, getting her infinite smoked salmon seems like something doable in a world of undoables.

Very sorry to hear things are so rough. Fwiw I think crying is fine and should be fine. But if you feel it's not helpful then maybe not worry about it too much. But if you try it a few times and it seems to help - yeah, just let it happen when it needs to happen.
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03-21-2019 , 11:08 AM
Sorry to hear
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03-21-2019 , 11:15 AM
I'm very sorry to hear that, Holliday. I can't really offer a relevant opinion on your therapist's advice beyond saying that doing whatever you feel you need to do for yourself can't really be wrong - you're the one experiencing this, and you seem pretty in touch and thoughtful.

We're all pulling for you.
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03-21-2019 , 11:20 AM
Feel for you Holliday.
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03-21-2019 , 11:36 AM
Plus one, Holliday. Don’t tell me smoked fish is bad.

Plus one for everything else said here too.
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03-21-2019 , 01:04 PM
Let her eat whatever she likes to. Will have a positive effect.

All the health stuff we are talking is just luxury for certain situations when wellbeing is somewhat assured anyway.
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03-21-2019 , 02:04 PM
Tough life Holliday, hang in there.
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03-21-2019 , 08:09 PM
There's scant refuge from suffering in this world. But on the other hand it's a miracle we're here at all.
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03-22-2019 , 09:10 AM
+1 to Holliday sentiments.
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03-24-2019 , 03:23 PM
Longwinded political musings within. I urge anyone who does not appreciate such musings to ignore post.

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Disclaimer: I didn’t come up with all these ideas myself. It is mostly stuff I read and synthesized together in my own way. So, if you think any particular point I am making is plagarization, you are probably right. Also, if you are thinking a particular point is patently absurd and had to have originated from me, you are also probably right.

Also, when reading this post keep in mind that IMO the central problem of all lifeforms, including **** sapiens, is propagation of the gene pool, at the individual and population level. And much of our behavior, both instinctual and learned, can only be properly understood when viewed through this framework.

Anyways, the current narrative making the rounds right now is that the United States (and pretty much every other society that has existed the last 10,000 years or so) is an oppressive patriarchy that elevates men and suppresses women; and this inherently unjust and inequitable system can and should be made right through coercion and political fiat, especially in the higher echelons of our hierarchies. And in doing so it will pave the way for an inclusive, equitable, progressive utopia where we all will get along and live happily ever after (or something to that effect).

Looking at human society from a naturalistic, deterministic perspective (and keeping in mind the basic paradigm) one could assume that if something exists pretty much universally (in this case “the patriarchy”) in a population or in this case an entire species for thousands of years there is probably a strongly selected for adaptive reason. Interestingly, I think dynamics of the online dating marketplace may elucidate how human sexual dynamics may explain how successful human societies pretty much independently came to similar social dynamics, e.g. “the patriarchy” for the last several thousand years.

Anyways, what the swipe right culture has taught us (that to be fair most intellectually honest people already intuitively knew) is that human females are much more selective than human males, which makes perfect sense as the costs of reproduction are so much higher for females than males; and they have historically been responsible for bearing the labor of child rearing for the entirety of mammalian evolution. To cut to the chase, statistics seem to tell us that all else being equal the vast majority of females are only attracted to the top 15% of males, whereas males are much, much, much less discerning.

This would suggest that as opposed to being monogamous, humans may “naturally” in fact be polygynous, much like chimpanzees (and many other mammalian species). And my understanding is that study of pre-historic cultures indicates that proto-humans may have mostly practiced a form of “harem polygyny.”

However, we could imagine that such a dynamic that may have evolved and seem to work well when populations existed in small isolated groups/clans on the plains of East Africa, would not necessarily work very well when a technological innovation changed the rules of the game; in this case the shift from hunter/gatherer to settled, agrarian societies.

Specifically, polygynous societies probably severely limited absolute population size (which would be needed for highly labor intensive agriculture) and also propagated too much inter-society violence (in this case males continually jockeying and fighting for the favor of the harem and access to reproductive rights).

Faced with such a dilemna, evolution of a culture of “enforced monogamy” whereby young females are basically coerced by societal norms “against their nature” to settle early in their reproductive life on a single mate (who would probably be below their attraction standards in a different milieu) would seem to solve this dilemma. Coercion into 1:1 monogamous relationships and the separation of men into the public spheres (mostly as workers) and women as stay at home child carers (which I am sure we can all accept raising multiple small human children at once in such a setting would be more than a full time job) would maximize population growth; and coercing women to mate equitably so most males had access to reproduction would decrease inter-clan tension and violence.

I should note that I don’t think it is appropriate to view this as men vs women battle of the sexes. More likely, it was men AND women cooperating (and in many cases making sacrifices) to create a societal structure adapted to thrive in agrarian societies and raise progeny and perpetuate the gene pool successfully.

Accepting this to be the case, one could definitely argue that recent technological innovations have allowed us to break the chains of this patriarchal structure. That being said, “the patriarchy” survived universally for thousands of years because it worked and was pro-adaptive, given nurture (the environment and technology of the times) and nature (our biologically constrained behavior/instincts).

Ironically, “the patriarchy” may have also been a force that flattened hierarchies and reduced inequity within societies (ie. by allowing all members of society to participate in reproduction and de-incentivizing intra-society competition). It is not clear that current liberal ideology as it pertains to re-fashioning male-female dynamics, although well meaning, will be simarly pro-adaptive or achieve the ends it purports to. And there is some indications it flat out will not. I don’t think it is an accident that there is so much divisiveness, depression and angst, especially among young people today. Obviously, Trump isn’t helping things, but I think he is more a sign of the times than a causal factor of all the current societal issues. I also am not sure that it is an accident that the more we “dismantle the patriarchy” and “liberate” woman and work towards equity and inclusiveness; the more real power disparity seems to be increasing, especially between the “haves” and “have nots,” and this increase in “class” disparity seems to transcend gender and race.

Anyways, just some of my thoughts. Thought a few of the old regs might enjoy this throwback rant if nothing else.

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