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Old 03-20-2017, 01:03 PM   #24451
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Re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread****

I never cardio. Decided to have a quick jog on a treadmill and quick stationary bike sesh yesterday, and now I'm paying for it with some foot pain. It's on the bottom of the foot between my arch and my heel, right foot, right side (outside of foot). Google throws out plantar fasciitis, broken fifth metatarsal, and peroneal tendinitis as potential diagnoses.

Any specific things I should look for to narrow things down? It hurts when I walk and when I sit still, level of pain is similar at all times. For what it's worth, I had this exact pain a few years ago and I think it was a similar cause.
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:13 PM   #24452
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3. The 3rd I saw 3 times for different injuries. He's highly competent but it was all targeted PT for specific issues/injuries, so I never once added weight to squats in the gym. I am at 90%+ currently and most of the issues I originally received PT for are mild to non existent
That's the impression I got from your posts. If you don't know anyone directly around you, just go get with a USA Weightlifting coach. You're looking for pretty basic coaching here. Anyone halfway decent, which you are experienced enough to figure out halfway through your first session, will be able to help you.
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:16 PM   #24453
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I never cardio. Decided to have a quick jog on a treadmill and quick stationary bike sesh yesterday, and now I'm paying for it with some foot pain. It's on the bottom of the foot between my arch and my heel, right foot, right side (outside of foot). Google throws out plantar fasciitis, broken fifth metatarsal, and peroneal tendinitis as potential diagnoses.

Any specific things I should look for to narrow things down? It hurts when I walk and when I sit still, level of pain is similar at all times. For what it's worth, I had this exact pain a few years ago and I think it was a similar cause.
Go to a doctor.
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:45 PM   #24454
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Yes. It is between 10-15% bodyfat. Virtually everyone recommends this. It is like suggesting a cyclical caloric intake to a random person by drinking an extra protein shake and eating a serving of carbs on workout days.

You are failing to understand that 10% is a "reasonably lean" measure in the context of discussing people who are literally starving and other stage lean athletes being predisposed to gaining bodyfat. You basically read the article, slather on your own predisposed reasoning without understanding what "lean" would mean in the context of what Lyle describes, proceed to ignore literally everything else he has written or do any actual research on your own then herp derp the same exact thing you did before.
I would say I found his logic unconvincing. Reading this article gave me no motivation to read anything else by Lyle ever again, true; "P-value stays the same for individuals regardless of weight"--ok, let's just ignore that. Dieted body is primed to regain fat--let's say "wait two weeks" and leave it at that. "10-15% is best" even though I'm not going to cite anything to show that and I just said it doesn't matter in terms of p-value--sure.

I mean the one thing he solidly demonstrates is that fat gain is *definitely much worse* after dieting which even he acknowledges has been anecdotally observed by everyone on earth before, "I still think you should do it."

And it all still leaves you saying that "Dieting down to 10% bodyfat then running a bulk-cut, bulk-cut, bulk-cut, etc. based on close monitoring to manage your body's drive to explosively rebuild fat stores (Lyle's actual recommendation) without ever losing control of the process or giving up is...easier than a slow recomp and then just keeping the weight off." In fact you have equated disagreeing with that to disagreeing with "1+1=2". Maybe we just have different ideas of what "easy" means.
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:04 PM   #24455
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Go to a doctor.
Yeah **** like this is generally rest and see if it clears up, which likely meant it was minor and muscular, but if it persists get it diagnosed by a doctor.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:33 PM   #24456
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I would say I found his logic unconvincing. Reading this article gave me no motivation to read anything else by Lyle ever again, true; "P-value stays the same for individuals regardless of weight"--ok, let's just ignore that. Dieted body is primed to regain fat--let's say "wait two weeks" and leave it at that. "10-15% is best" even though I'm not going to cite anything to show that and I just said it doesn't matter in terms of p-value--sure.

I mean the one thing he solidly demonstrates is that fat gain is *definitely much worse* after dieting which even he acknowledges has been anecdotally observed by everyone on earth before, "I still think you should do it."

And it all still leaves you saying that "Dieting down to 10% bodyfat then running a bulk-cut, bulk-cut, bulk-cut, etc. based on close monitoring to manage your body's drive to explosively rebuild fat stores (Lyle's actual recommendation) without ever losing control of the process or giving up is...easier than a slow recomp and then just keeping the weight off." In fact you have equated disagreeing with that to disagreeing with "1+1=2". Maybe we just have different ideas of what "easy" means.
Again, you aren't suited to discussion. Did you bother to look at any of the research or links? Obv not.

You do you. Lets keep just neckbearding on our anecdotes instead of utilizing science and recognized researchers (who can be wrong). Your problem is primarily in simply stating your opinion as fact and then asking to disproven (which has been done).

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Yeah **** like this is generally rest and see if it clears up, which likely meant it was minor and muscular, but if it persists get it diagnosed by a doctor.
Pretty easy you would think?
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:46 PM   #24457
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Re: ****Official Beginner Question Thread****

Yea, just curious if anyone had done anything similar or knew about foot injuries. Rest and wait worked last time, but I never went to the doctor and so never found out what it was - now that it's happened again, I'm curious what it could be and how to prevent it, and asking a thread first is easier than taking time off to trip to the doctor. Obviously doctor is the next step if it persists, and I may go anyways just because it's now happened twice.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:01 PM   #24458
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broken foot is prob unlikely.

plantar fasciaitis is possible.

you running like a momo and having some slight bruising on your foot is also possible.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:06 PM   #24459
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Haha cause of injury being terrible ogre-like running form is pretty likely. There is a mirror on the side wall, so I watched myself a few times while running... It isn't pretty. I run like a fat guy, though I'm not actually a fat guy
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:19 PM   #24460
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Again, you aren't suited to discussion. Did you bother to look at any of the research or links? Obv not.

You do you. Lets keep just neckbearding on our anecdotes instead of utilizing science and recognized researchers (who can be wrong). Your problem is primarily in simply stating your opinion as fact and then asking to disproven (which has been done).
I didn't actually expect "I disagree that it'll be easier to add lean mass right after dieting off 20 lbs." to be taken as such a way; stating my opinion as fact. Seemed to me I was stating my opinion as my opinion. Otherwise I would have said something like, "It's definitely not easier to add lean mass right after dieting off 20 lbs." I also don't remember asking to be disproven--in fact I thought it pretty innocuous.

Setting out to read the other links you gave, I cannot get the main link on the reddit page to work (and the rest looks like a typical reddit thread (unreadable to me)), the second is comparing initial mass bulking which is irrelevant, and the third (you tricked me into reading another Lyle article) contains the following which I *assume* you missed:

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1. First and foremost, for reasons outlined in my article Initial Body Fat and Body Composition Changes, trainees should not be starting out their muscle gaining phase too fat. Males should be ~10-12% body fat before even considering going on any kind of ‘bulk’ (fatter trainees can usually gain some muscle while losing fat with a basic recomposition plan; this is beyond the scope of this article).
The last two seem to be also written by Lyle and are again comparing dieting to bulking. Gonna pass.

Maybe I glossed over it somewhere; looking for something along the lines of "Individuals who have dieted down to low body fat levels do magically put on lots of LBM when they gain." or "Fatter trainees should not gain some muscle while losing fat with a basic recomposition plan." but all I'm seeing is the opposite. Do you really believe those two statements to be true and born out unequivocally by the science which is complete and definitive, despite your boy Lyle's two statements to the opposite? Because that's all I was disagreeing with and I continue to think it's pretty innocuous.
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:59 PM   #24461
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Lets ignore the obvious (self admitted) gaps in your literacy.

Please substantiate your initial point in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

If anything, trolling out of stupidity should be banned here.
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Old 03-21-2017, 12:10 AM   #24462
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I think your own citation substantiates that just fine:

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Contrary to current (mis) interpretations of the literature, individuals who have dieted down to low body fat levels don’t magically put on lots of LBM when they gain. Quite in fact, if anything, the opposite is true. After an extended diet, the body is primed for fat gain.
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Old 03-21-2017, 07:05 PM   #24463
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3. The 3rd I saw 3 times for different injuries. He's highly competent but it was all targeted PT for specific issues/injuries, so I never once added weight to squats in the gym. I am at 90%+ currently and most of the issues I originally received PT for are mild to non existent
Jeff what is your goal/what are you looking for with coaching?
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Old 03-22-2017, 02:42 PM   #24464
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Right now I am using the app GymHero for my iPhone to log my lifts. Most people who state what app they use in their log, use one called "Strong".
I would like to export my data and GymHero doesn't seem to do that for the free version. Any advice on what kind of app people use to log and why would be appreciated.
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Old 03-22-2017, 03:03 PM   #24465
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Actual physical notebook works best in my opinion.
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Old 03-22-2017, 03:15 PM   #24466
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I know xuxux and at least one other (and me) use FitNotes. Its both Android and iPhone.
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Old 03-22-2017, 03:33 PM   #24467
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Tablet (as in electronic tablet) notepad during gym. excel and 2p2 log away from gym. I feel the notepad is best because writing out each workout the night beforehand helps me visualize what I'll be doing, possibly increasing the chance that I hit the numbers I want to hit.
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Old 03-23-2017, 03:27 AM   #24468
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Liftingcharts.org was what I use. Now doing that and the reactive training systems tool. What I like: track fatigue. Workout planner useful to ball park weights if using RPE programming. Lots of reports/graphs to analyse data.

Don't like: doesn't have a handy forum export tool.
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Old 03-23-2017, 03:36 AM   #24469
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It also tracks e1rm and Wilks scores
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Old 03-23-2017, 04:18 AM   #24470
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I use GymBook
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:53 AM   #24471
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Jeff what is your goal/what are you looking for with coaching?



Srsly, I'd like to squat as well as possible, to assist sporting activities as well as for my general enjoyment
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:55 AM   #24472
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Srsly, I'd like to squat as well as possible, to assist sporting activities as well as for my general enjoyment
We have a Starting Strength Coach in Everett, MA - if you're interested I could relay his contact info
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Old 03-23-2017, 10:29 AM   #24473
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My wife wants to start "hitting things" as part of her workouts (currently limited to time on the treadmill and some yoga). She wants me to research workouts/equipment needed for this. She has in her mind using a heavy bag. I have no idea what to do or where to start looking. Any ideas?
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Old 03-23-2017, 11:01 AM   #24474
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My wife wants to start "hitting things" as part of her workouts (currently limited to time on the treadmill and some yoga). She wants me to research workouts/equipment needed for this. She has in her mind using a heavy bag. I have no idea what to do or where to start looking. Any ideas?
Chicks in the "crossfit room" at my gym seem to love this one:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0137...dio+bag+boxing

That and the giant rope.
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Old 03-23-2017, 05:03 PM   #24475
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We have a Starting Strength Coach in Everett, MA - if you're interested I could relay his contact info
I'm seeing a coach tomorrow. If I decide to move on after, I'll get back to you. Thanks for the offer.
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